WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:10.000 Hello everyone, my name is Troy Dawson, I work for Red Hat. 00:10.000 --> 00:14.000 I work on the central stream and emerging rail team. 00:14.000 --> 00:17.000 This talk was originally written by Adam Samalak. 00:17.000 --> 00:19.000 He's not able to be here. 00:19.000 --> 00:21.000 But he told me he would be here in spirit. 00:21.000 --> 00:23.000 He's actually watching right there. 00:23.000 --> 00:27.000 And he told me he had, well, I don't believe him. 00:27.000 --> 00:29.000 But he told me to hack it by laptop. 00:29.000 --> 00:31.000 See what happens. 00:31.000 --> 00:33.000 Anyway, let's get going. 00:33.000 --> 00:35.000 It all starts with Fedora. 00:35.000 --> 00:36.000 What is Fedora? 00:36.000 --> 00:38.000 Fedora is a little blue bot. 00:38.000 --> 00:40.000 Fedora is lots of things. 00:40.000 --> 00:43.000 Fedora is servers, IOT. 00:43.000 --> 00:48.000 Oh, maybe he is in here. 00:48.000 --> 00:51.000 Well, I guess you can do gaming. 00:51.000 --> 00:55.000 People have some gaming machines, yeah, Adam. 00:56.000 --> 00:58.000 But you know what, we're not here to talk about Fedora. 00:58.000 --> 01:01.000 Are we talking about rail? 01:01.000 --> 01:04.000 Fedora, every three years, it's brings in to rail. 01:04.000 --> 01:07.000 In the past, I was on the team that did rail a eight. 01:07.000 --> 01:09.000 And it was all behind closed doors. 01:09.000 --> 01:11.000 And we couldn't talk about it. 01:11.000 --> 01:13.000 And it was very secretive. 01:13.000 --> 01:14.000 And I hated it. 01:14.000 --> 01:16.000 It was terrible. 01:16.000 --> 01:21.000 But that didn't last too long with rail nine. 01:21.000 --> 01:23.000 We put in central stream in the middle. 01:23.000 --> 01:26.000 And now, every three years, it goes from Fedora to central stream, 01:26.000 --> 01:28.000 and going to rail. 01:28.000 --> 01:31.000 But we're not here to talk about rail either. 01:31.000 --> 01:33.000 We're here to talk about central stream. 01:33.000 --> 01:35.000 What is central stream? 01:35.000 --> 01:39.000 It is a Linux OS maintained by rail engineers. 01:39.000 --> 01:44.000 I'm not a rail engineer, but I don't maintain the packages. 01:44.000 --> 01:48.000 The rail packages maintain those packages. 01:48.000 --> 01:50.000 Okay, so I like we are going to talk about Fedora. 01:50.000 --> 01:52.000 What is Fedora? 01:52.000 --> 01:57.000 Fedora has this raw-high branch that keeps up with the latest things. 01:57.000 --> 02:02.000 And the package maintainers keep things up to date there, 02:02.000 --> 02:05.000 and every six months, six months. 02:05.000 --> 02:07.000 Well, I can talk to it. 02:07.000 --> 02:11.000 Every six months, they'd branch to make a Fedora release. 02:11.000 --> 02:13.000 But while that packaging is happening, 02:13.000 --> 02:18.000 there's a little thing called ELM there. 02:18.000 --> 02:24.000 And that is the Fedora packages being built with red hat 02:24.000 --> 02:28.000 or rail flags, tags, macros. 02:28.000 --> 02:32.000 And to test if they build, to test how they work. 02:32.000 --> 02:35.000 And then every three years, we're actually branching from ELM 02:35.000 --> 02:41.000 into central stream, and then that central stream eventually goes into rail. 02:41.000 --> 02:44.000 Now, this is a blow up of what's happening right now. 02:44.000 --> 02:48.000 This is what central stream can and railed can a while ago. 02:48.000 --> 02:51.000 ELM is going along doing its business. 02:51.000 --> 02:55.000 And we started doing bootstrapping and during that bootstrapped phase, 02:55.000 --> 03:00.000 we kept the sources sink between Fedora and ELM, 03:00.000 --> 03:03.000 which is the same source into central stream. 03:03.000 --> 03:05.000 And we kept that going. 03:05.000 --> 03:08.000 Getting our infrastructure set up, getting our build route set up. 03:08.000 --> 03:11.000 And then at some point, we cut that off. 03:11.000 --> 03:14.000 And then we have what we call the pre-release phase. 03:14.000 --> 03:16.000 And that's where the rail maintainers go. 03:16.000 --> 03:17.000 We want this. 03:17.000 --> 03:18.000 We don't want that. 03:18.000 --> 03:20.000 All this flag really needs to be tweaked this way. 03:20.000 --> 03:21.000 And that way. 03:21.000 --> 03:24.000 And then at some point, we're doing another cut. 03:24.000 --> 03:27.000 And we say, we're doing releases. 03:27.000 --> 03:28.000 We're doing rail betas. 03:28.000 --> 03:30.000 And we're here right now. 03:30.000 --> 03:34.000 So, central stream 10 was released in December. 03:34.000 --> 03:35.000 It's a great release. 03:35.000 --> 03:39.000 I recommend it for people who like Linux. 03:39.000 --> 03:41.000 I like it. 03:41.000 --> 03:43.000 Run whatever you want. 03:43.000 --> 03:45.000 But I like this one. 03:45.000 --> 03:47.000 So, we're here. 03:47.000 --> 03:49.000 We do have central stream release. 03:49.000 --> 03:52.000 You might notice that rail does not have a release yet, 03:52.000 --> 03:54.000 but their beta is out. 03:54.000 --> 03:56.000 And while we're still doing it, 03:56.000 --> 03:58.000 we continue to do central stream 9. 03:58.000 --> 04:01.000 That gets developed on central stream and goes to 9. 04:01.000 --> 04:03.000 So, what does this look like? 04:03.000 --> 04:06.000 We'll look at the pipeline a little bit. 04:07.000 --> 04:09.000 We have our three things that we want to look at. 04:09.000 --> 04:12.000 We're going to look at our sources. 04:12.000 --> 04:16.000 The sources are kept in sync between central stream and rail. 04:16.000 --> 04:20.000 The central stream stuff is all visible by the public. 04:20.000 --> 04:23.000 It should be, if it isn't, let us know. 04:23.000 --> 04:26.000 But if it's in sync when something goes into the central stream release, 04:26.000 --> 04:28.000 it gets automatically synced as well. 04:28.000 --> 04:30.000 If it doesn't happen, then might think it's page, 04:30.000 --> 04:34.000 then we make sure it gets synced into rail that does happen occasionally. 04:34.000 --> 04:36.000 But less or less. 04:36.000 --> 04:39.000 Builds are sort of coupled. 04:39.000 --> 04:42.000 Adam made this. 04:42.000 --> 04:44.000 He said he trademarked it. 04:44.000 --> 04:45.000 I don't think it is. 04:45.000 --> 04:47.000 But they're sort of coupled. 04:47.000 --> 04:49.000 Central stream. 04:49.000 --> 04:50.000 Things they built in coaching. 04:50.000 --> 04:52.000 You know, let's go into more detail. 04:52.000 --> 04:54.000 And then we have releases. 04:54.000 --> 04:57.000 We're releases are totally uncoupled. 04:57.000 --> 05:01.000 Central stream does their own thing and rail does stuff. 05:01.000 --> 05:03.000 Oh, yeah. 05:03.000 --> 05:05.000 Adam lives in Europe. 05:05.000 --> 05:07.000 European elevators start with zero. 05:07.000 --> 05:09.000 So we're not going to start with one. 05:09.000 --> 05:11.000 Everything starts with zero. 05:11.000 --> 05:12.000 Yes. 05:12.000 --> 05:14.000 We love JIRA. 05:14.000 --> 05:16.000 We're just going to have one slide on JIRA. 05:16.000 --> 05:18.000 I promise this one slide on JIRA. 05:18.000 --> 05:20.000 Issues at redhat.com. 05:20.000 --> 05:22.000 You just have to do things in bugsillers. 05:22.000 --> 05:24.000 Now go to issues.redhat.com. 05:24.000 --> 05:25.000 It is JIRA. 05:25.000 --> 05:27.000 They're trying to make it better. 05:27.000 --> 05:30.000 That's where you do bugs in issues. 05:30.000 --> 05:37.000 And the most importantly, you can talk with the maintainers of various packages. 05:37.000 --> 05:41.000 Because when you do sources. 05:41.000 --> 05:45.000 When you're working with sources, you first want to merge your quest. 05:45.000 --> 05:49.000 But before they can do a merge your quest, you've got to have a JIRA ticket. 05:49.000 --> 05:52.000 You see, the merge your quest goes through a test before the merge. 05:52.000 --> 05:53.000 Test number one. 05:53.000 --> 05:54.000 Is there a JIRA ticket? 05:54.000 --> 05:55.000 I'm sorry. 05:55.000 --> 05:58.000 But that's the test. 05:58.000 --> 06:00.000 But the merge request goes through. 06:00.000 --> 06:01.000 It gets tested. 06:01.000 --> 06:03.000 It gets merged into the sense of strain. 06:03.000 --> 06:05.000 And then immediately goes over the rail. 06:05.000 --> 06:10.000 Because rail already knows it's been tested and merged. 06:10.000 --> 06:12.000 This is sort of what it looks like. 06:12.000 --> 06:17.000 We're looking at the system D when the system D got updated 256. 06:17.000 --> 06:20.000 This was the merge request. 06:20.000 --> 06:22.000 There's the tests. 06:22.000 --> 06:24.000 Doing the check number one. 06:24.000 --> 06:26.000 Checking the status. 06:26.000 --> 06:28.000 It's checking right there. 06:28.000 --> 06:31.000 There's a rail ticket right there. 06:31.000 --> 06:33.000 And here is JIRA. 06:33.000 --> 06:35.000 It seems not so scary. 06:35.000 --> 06:38.000 It's not that scary. 06:38.000 --> 06:39.000 Yeah. 06:39.000 --> 06:41.000 But this was actually opened by a member of the public. 06:41.000 --> 06:45.000 This was not opened by a rail maintainer. 06:45.000 --> 06:48.000 Public says, hey, I would like system D to be updated. 06:48.000 --> 06:51.000 We were early enough in the 10 development cycle. 06:51.000 --> 06:53.000 They said, yeah, that sounds like a great idea. 06:53.000 --> 06:55.000 And they did it. 06:55.000 --> 07:02.000 And when into there, it went into the Git Hub source repo. 07:02.000 --> 07:04.000 I said GitHub, didn't I? 07:04.000 --> 07:05.000 Yeah. 07:05.000 --> 07:08.000 If I say GitHub, substitute it for GitLab. 07:08.000 --> 07:10.000 We're doing GitLab. 07:10.000 --> 07:13.000 It went through the GitLab repo. 07:13.000 --> 07:17.000 Somebody else said, oh, previous talk was talking about GitLab. 07:17.000 --> 07:20.000 GitLab repo. 07:20.000 --> 07:23.000 And this is what the files look like. 07:24.000 --> 07:26.000 This is a quick overview for those of you. 07:26.000 --> 07:32.000 I've not seen spec file or packages for those familiar with the door. 07:32.000 --> 07:35.000 You will notice that you got your spec file there at the bottom. 07:35.000 --> 07:38.000 Various patches and stuff read me. 07:38.000 --> 07:40.000 But the top you see, I think, called sources. 07:40.000 --> 07:41.000 That is not a directory. 07:41.000 --> 07:43.000 That is not the actual sources. 07:43.000 --> 07:48.000 That is a hash tag that says, hey, this is the hash tag for the sources. 07:48.000 --> 07:51.000 The sources, because sometimes it's a bigger tip. 07:51.000 --> 07:54.000 It's like, look, it's like cast. 07:54.000 --> 08:01.000 And where you went, oh, Adam did this before. 08:01.000 --> 08:03.000 It didn't work. 08:03.000 --> 08:05.000 It worked for him. 08:05.000 --> 08:06.000 We tried. 08:06.000 --> 08:08.000 Adam, Adam, stop. 08:08.000 --> 08:11.000 I'm just going to, no, stop. 08:11.000 --> 08:12.000 There. 08:12.000 --> 08:13.000 No, no, no. 08:13.000 --> 08:15.000 There we go. 08:15.000 --> 08:17.000 Okay, we're fighting over it enough. 08:17.000 --> 08:20.000 There is ways to get those tarballs down. 08:20.000 --> 08:23.000 It's called cent package. 08:23.000 --> 08:26.000 Adam had this really fancy thing. 08:26.000 --> 08:29.000 Anyway, don't worry about it. 08:29.000 --> 08:32.000 You can directly, W get these tarballs. 08:32.000 --> 08:34.000 But it's harder to find. 08:34.000 --> 08:36.000 You have to figure out where the look inside cash is. 08:36.000 --> 08:38.000 You have to find the hash. 08:38.000 --> 08:41.000 If you use a thing called cent package similar to Fed package. 08:41.000 --> 08:43.000 But it's for centros. 08:43.000 --> 08:45.000 It will automatically look those things up. 08:45.000 --> 08:49.000 If you do cent package, sources, cent package, SRPM. 08:49.000 --> 08:51.000 You can get them. 08:51.000 --> 08:54.000 If you really, really want to find them. 08:54.000 --> 08:55.000 Contact me. 08:55.000 --> 08:57.000 Oh, let's, you know. 08:57.000 --> 08:59.000 Anyway, sources are there. 08:59.000 --> 09:02.000 Let's move on to builds. 09:02.000 --> 09:04.000 Again, we said they were sort of coupled. 09:04.000 --> 09:05.000 What does that mean? 09:05.000 --> 09:08.000 Let's look at the build things. 09:08.000 --> 09:11.000 The top thing is centros stream the bottom is real. 09:11.000 --> 09:12.000 This is all public. 09:12.000 --> 09:14.000 You can see it as it's happening. 09:14.000 --> 09:15.000 This is not public. 09:15.000 --> 09:18.000 But sometimes it influences what is happening. 09:18.000 --> 09:21.000 The first thing is a real maintainer. 09:21.000 --> 09:25.000 I'm sorry if you remember the public you cannot start a build. 09:25.000 --> 09:28.000 You might be able to do a merge request and various things. 09:28.000 --> 09:31.000 But the real only maintainers can start a build. 09:31.000 --> 09:36.000 If it passes build, it goes down there and gets build internally. 09:36.000 --> 09:38.000 And they both get a tag. 09:38.000 --> 09:40.000 This is a Koji tag. 09:40.000 --> 09:43.000 It's a wait for Koji and various scripts and stuff to keep track of this. 09:43.000 --> 09:46.000 And they give a tag called gate. 09:46.000 --> 09:49.000 And then they go to the gating things. 09:49.000 --> 09:51.000 And that's where the tests get run on it. 09:51.000 --> 09:53.000 And it's really fun and exciting. 09:53.000 --> 09:57.000 And if you like test, that is fun and exciting. 09:57.000 --> 10:00.000 If they pass the test, they go to candidate. 10:00.000 --> 10:05.000 And at this point, it's sort of a, that's where the maintainer goes, 10:05.000 --> 10:08.000 OK, do I really want this in or do I not want this in? 10:08.000 --> 10:11.000 Is past the tests. 10:11.000 --> 10:13.000 And then they do. 10:13.000 --> 10:17.000 And if they verify it, then it goes to pending. 10:17.000 --> 10:19.000 So let's look at this a little bit. 10:19.000 --> 10:22.000 I'm going to use Firefox here. 10:22.000 --> 10:28.000 And Firefox here has, this was a 16th of January. 10:28.000 --> 10:35.000 It got the 10 gatings and then it passed those gates and made it to candidate. 10:35.000 --> 10:37.000 And then it took several days. 10:37.000 --> 10:40.000 You can't see it here, but I know this particular package. 10:40.000 --> 10:41.000 It's several days. 10:41.000 --> 10:43.000 And then it went into pending. 10:43.000 --> 10:49.000 And we'll talk about that another one just a little bit. 10:49.000 --> 10:52.000 Those of you outside of the rail influence, 10:52.000 --> 10:55.000 didn't look at the rail beta or central string beta, 10:55.000 --> 10:58.000 we'll notice this is an important package. 10:58.000 --> 11:00.000 Why would Firefox be so important? 11:00.000 --> 11:02.000 Because it wasn't there. 11:02.000 --> 11:06.000 I don't get to say what's in rail and what's not in rail, 11:06.000 --> 11:09.000 but Firefox was not in rail. 11:09.000 --> 11:13.000 But there is now. 11:13.000 --> 11:15.000 And it came just in time for this conference. 11:15.000 --> 11:19.000 Just in time for me to make some images that I'll talk about a little bit later. 11:19.000 --> 11:24.000 So Firefox is now in rail and central string. 11:24.000 --> 11:26.000 10. 11:26.000 --> 11:29.000 And it was already in, don't worry about those ones. 11:29.000 --> 11:31.000 Anyway. 11:31.000 --> 11:35.000 So what happens after we build them and tag them, 11:35.000 --> 11:37.000 they go into a release. 11:37.000 --> 11:39.000 So we go into composers. 11:39.000 --> 11:42.000 We go into tips that repose and images, 11:42.000 --> 11:46.000 except, okay, composers have repose and images 11:46.000 --> 11:49.000 in the et cetera and Adam knows that I have two more slides 11:49.000 --> 11:51.000 and we're going to talk about that. 11:51.000 --> 11:54.000 Anyway, they have composers that get tested 11:54.000 --> 11:55.000 and then they release them. 11:55.000 --> 11:57.000 Here's let's talk about that. 11:57.000 --> 11:59.000 We talked about tags. 11:59.000 --> 12:02.000 We already said, getting pending. 12:02.000 --> 12:06.000 Guess what that, pending sign means. 12:07.000 --> 12:08.000 It's signed. 12:08.000 --> 12:10.000 Yes, you guys guessed it. 12:10.000 --> 12:12.000 You are a brilliant bunch. 12:12.000 --> 12:15.000 Compose is not really a tag, 12:15.000 --> 12:17.000 but it is a tag. 12:17.000 --> 12:19.000 But you won't see it in Koji. 12:19.000 --> 12:24.000 It helps us for making our composers. 12:24.000 --> 12:26.000 And I will show you that there. 12:26.000 --> 12:28.000 We have two composers. 12:28.000 --> 12:30.000 The development composes usually goes out every day. 12:30.000 --> 12:34.000 Unless we're running out of storage and then it's every other day. 12:34.000 --> 12:38.000 Because we're running out of storage. 12:38.000 --> 12:42.000 Production goes out every few days. 12:42.000 --> 12:44.000 It gets produced every few days. 12:44.000 --> 12:48.000 But once a week we do run it through testing 12:48.000 --> 12:50.000 and it goes to the central stream release. 12:50.000 --> 12:52.000 So what's in the release? 12:52.000 --> 12:54.000 That's what Adam wanted me to say. 12:54.000 --> 12:56.000 Oh, it was three slides. 12:56.000 --> 12:57.000 Three slides. 12:57.000 --> 12:59.000 In a release we have different repos. 12:59.000 --> 13:01.000 We have baseless, we have upstream. 13:02.000 --> 13:07.000 We have CRB, which is an acronym yet to be determined. 13:07.000 --> 13:09.000 We have lots of add-ons. 13:09.000 --> 13:11.000 These are usually just small little things. 13:11.000 --> 13:14.000 But they're important for those people that want them. 13:14.000 --> 13:17.000 High availability, NFD, I don't know what that is. 13:17.000 --> 13:21.000 RT, resilient storage, sap. 13:21.000 --> 13:24.000 Anyway, lots of little small things. 13:24.000 --> 13:26.000 They're usually just one, too. 13:26.000 --> 13:28.000 But more important, we have images. 13:28.000 --> 13:30.000 There's lots of DVD ISOs, net installs, 13:30.000 --> 13:33.000 small containers, which everybody really likes. 13:33.000 --> 13:36.000 AWS, which people will need. 13:36.000 --> 13:38.000 But you must like in two cows. 13:38.000 --> 13:40.000 Which I love that name. 13:40.000 --> 13:42.000 I grew up around there. 13:42.000 --> 13:44.000 And so, you know, the cute cows. 13:44.000 --> 13:46.000 But there's two of them. 13:46.000 --> 13:50.000 Sorry, I couldn't resist. 13:50.000 --> 13:55.000 Oh, more images. 13:55.000 --> 13:57.000 Oh, and there's more images. 13:57.000 --> 13:59.000 Well, talk about them a bit later. 13:59.000 --> 14:00.000 I'll image a signal. 14:00.000 --> 14:01.000 This is my own plug. 14:01.000 --> 14:02.000 I'm sorry. 14:02.000 --> 14:05.000 I haven't gave it a plug that for me. 14:05.000 --> 14:07.000 Okay. 14:07.000 --> 14:09.000 Yeah. 14:09.000 --> 14:12.000 Tell me more about the testing. 14:12.000 --> 14:14.000 Okay, let's talk about the testing. 14:14.000 --> 14:15.000 He's right. 14:15.000 --> 14:18.000 It's good thing to talk about. 14:18.000 --> 14:22.000 The testing is done by the Centos integration, said. 14:22.000 --> 14:27.000 And we, it's on Jenkins. 14:27.000 --> 14:28.000 Of course, it's on Jenkins. 14:28.000 --> 14:29.000 I like Jenkins. 14:29.000 --> 14:31.000 You know, it's a little popular that serves you. 14:31.000 --> 14:34.000 But many people don't. 14:34.000 --> 14:38.000 In the old days, all the way up through Centos Stream 9, 14:38.000 --> 14:42.000 they've been using the Centos Test Suite. 14:42.000 --> 14:44.000 I can't remember it. 14:44.000 --> 14:45.000 And it's all the way across over there. 14:45.000 --> 14:47.000 So I can't read a deep functional suite. 14:47.000 --> 14:49.000 I just remembered it. 14:50.000 --> 14:54.000 That's a good testing thing. 14:54.000 --> 14:57.000 But it wasn't community-based. 14:57.000 --> 14:59.000 I don't know who wrote it. 14:59.000 --> 15:09.000 But the, the, the Centos Test, it's not, it's not called testing. 15:09.000 --> 15:11.000 But I'm going to call it that. 15:11.000 --> 15:12.000 Integrations. 15:12.000 --> 15:14.000 It's actually right there on the slide. 15:14.000 --> 15:15.000 I should read it better. 15:16.000 --> 15:21.000 The Centos integration, say, wrote, wrote up some new tests 15:21.000 --> 15:23.000 in there in TMT. 15:23.000 --> 15:27.000 They are still working on some, but the art 64 in the, 15:27.000 --> 15:29.000 you can't see it in here. 15:29.000 --> 15:31.000 But another one always works if things work. 15:31.000 --> 15:33.000 And then they don't, if they don't. 15:33.000 --> 15:36.000 There's still working on a couple of other arches. 15:36.000 --> 15:40.000 And anyway, we are, they are doing a great job with that. 15:40.000 --> 15:43.000 And we appreciate the community work that's came down. 15:43.000 --> 15:46.000 This is their page, a sick page. 15:46.000 --> 15:49.000 More importantly, this is where the composed tests are. 15:49.000 --> 15:52.000 And we can, you can see what the composed tests. 15:52.000 --> 15:56.000 And even more importantly, here's their get lab, 15:56.000 --> 15:59.000 re-post and get lab on getting that. 15:59.000 --> 16:03.000 And I wanted to think Carlos, he, he set up, 16:03.000 --> 16:06.000 almost all of this, if not all of this. 16:06.000 --> 16:07.000 And it's done a great job. 16:07.000 --> 16:10.000 And if you wanted to help with testing in the Centos, 16:10.000 --> 16:11.000 you can. 16:11.000 --> 16:17.000 And you can influence each week's composed. 16:17.000 --> 16:20.000 And we really appreciate what happened in there. 16:20.000 --> 16:23.000 Now I talked about Cigs before I talked about Cigs. 16:23.000 --> 16:24.000 So that's sort of backwards. 16:24.000 --> 16:26.000 Let's talk about Cigs. 16:26.000 --> 16:30.000 First off, I'm using the acronym Special Interest Groups. 16:30.000 --> 16:35.000 That's what I say is the Centos Special Interest Groups. 16:35.000 --> 16:39.000 The Centos Project is a rectangle. 16:39.000 --> 16:41.000 It's not a square. 16:41.000 --> 16:43.000 It's also a purple. 16:43.000 --> 16:46.000 But it really, Centos Project has lots of things in it. 16:46.000 --> 16:49.000 The Centos Stream is one little part of it. 16:49.000 --> 16:52.000 But there's a lot of other things that are built in the community. 16:52.000 --> 16:54.000 And those are the Cigs. 16:54.000 --> 16:59.000 The Centos Project has two built systems. 16:59.000 --> 17:02.000 It's just, aren't acronyms. 17:02.000 --> 17:04.000 Yes, acronyms are just lovely, Adam. 17:04.000 --> 17:07.000 But you know very well that next slide, 17:07.000 --> 17:09.000 I'm going to talk to anyway. 17:09.000 --> 17:12.000 Ciscogee in CBS Cogee. 17:12.000 --> 17:16.000 The Centos Stream gets built on the Centos Stream Cogee. 17:16.000 --> 17:20.000 But the Cigs have their own Cogee, which is the community. 17:20.000 --> 17:23.000 Build system Cogee. 17:23.000 --> 17:26.000 You know, the C-S don't get confused with that. 17:26.000 --> 17:29.000 But Cigs, there's a governance on how to, 17:29.000 --> 17:32.000 all about Cigs in Centos, 17:32.000 --> 17:35.000 because Cigs are a very big thing. 17:36.000 --> 17:41.000 They're driven by the Centos Board until they don't need to be governed anymore. 17:41.000 --> 17:44.000 Or, well, governed too much. 17:44.000 --> 17:46.000 They're all independent. 17:46.000 --> 17:49.000 Meaning they can do the membership their own way. 17:49.000 --> 17:52.000 They're releases their own way. 17:52.000 --> 17:55.000 As long as they follow within certain guidelines, 17:55.000 --> 17:59.000 we have documentation for creating retiring. 17:59.000 --> 18:03.000 But you really should start trying to join the Cigs. 18:03.000 --> 18:07.000 You can see which Cigs fit what you want to do, 18:07.000 --> 18:09.000 and then join it. 18:09.000 --> 18:12.000 If there isn't one that doesn't what you want to do, 18:12.000 --> 18:15.000 then go ahead and start your own if you want. 18:15.000 --> 18:19.000 So today, I wanted to talk a little bit. 18:19.000 --> 18:21.000 I'm going to slow down my talking. 18:21.000 --> 18:23.000 This is where Adam stops, sorry Adam. 18:23.000 --> 18:26.000 I wanted to talk about some of the Cigs. 18:26.000 --> 18:31.000 So I have with me Neil, who is part of the HyperScale Cig, 18:31.000 --> 18:34.000 Neil, would you come on up here for a few minutes? 18:34.000 --> 18:37.000 I'm going to ask you pretty much two questions. 18:37.000 --> 18:42.000 And two questions are, why did you and the others start the Cig? 18:42.000 --> 18:44.000 And what does your Cig do? 18:44.000 --> 18:47.000 So, hi, Neil Gompo. 18:47.000 --> 18:51.000 I helped co-found the HyperScale Cig along with a bunch of other people. 18:51.000 --> 18:54.000 Dabana, they're in the corner, 18:54.000 --> 18:58.000 and Michelle's probably somewhere in the corner too. 18:58.000 --> 19:04.000 But yeah, so we created the HyperScale Cig because it became fairly evident 19:04.000 --> 19:08.000 that all of us who are at the time working at different companies, 19:08.000 --> 19:11.000 well, we are still working at different companies, but, 19:11.000 --> 19:12.000 not the point. 19:12.000 --> 19:15.000 Anyway, people working at different companies who are using CENTOS 19:15.000 --> 19:21.000 all wound up doing a bunch of the same things to make CENTOS useful and usable 19:21.000 --> 19:23.000 for their environments. 19:23.000 --> 19:28.000 And all of us were fairly unhappy that we were all doing it redundantly 19:28.000 --> 19:31.000 inside of our environment, rather than bringing it out into the open 19:31.000 --> 19:36.000 and sharing and collaborating so that other people can benefit 19:36.000 --> 19:41.000 and that we're not doing duplicative work all over the place. 19:41.000 --> 19:44.000 So, that's kind of why we started it. 19:44.000 --> 19:49.000 And what the purpose of it is, is really for enabling CENTOS 19:50.000 --> 19:53.000 to be more useful at large scale deployments. 19:53.000 --> 19:54.000 Pretty much all over. 19:54.000 --> 19:56.000 Although it could be used anywhere. 19:56.000 --> 19:58.000 We don't care if you're interested in the stuff that we're doing 19:58.000 --> 20:01.000 and the stuff that we offer, you know, 20:01.000 --> 20:03.000 we're always open for that kind of thing. 20:03.000 --> 20:06.000 Like the big thing we do is make a variant of CENTOS stream 20:06.000 --> 20:09.000 that brings a lot of the nice things from Fedora that 20:09.000 --> 20:15.000 Brett had did not include and make it available for people to use 20:15.000 --> 20:18.000 in a long-term supported fashion. 20:18.000 --> 20:21.000 I heard one of those things was butter offense. 20:21.000 --> 20:24.000 It involves both not just the butter as a file, 20:24.000 --> 20:25.000 but also the kernel. 20:25.000 --> 20:27.000 Yeah, so we provide our own kernel. 20:27.000 --> 20:30.000 We also go, we work our way backwards through 20:30.000 --> 20:32.000 CENTOS stream user space and enable the butter 20:32.000 --> 20:35.000 of a support that was turned off in the base distribution. 20:35.000 --> 20:38.000 So, that means that in addition to providing packages 20:38.000 --> 20:42.000 and content, we also provide images that have 20:42.000 --> 20:44.000 an integrated storage stack all the software 20:44.000 --> 20:45.000 turned back on. 20:45.000 --> 20:48.000 So things like anaconda cockpit and all that stuff 20:48.000 --> 20:52.000 will helpfully be able to use butterflies and be able to do things for you. 20:52.000 --> 20:55.000 And in addition to, you know, images around with 20:55.000 --> 20:58.000 butter offense, we also do things like provide updated 20:58.000 --> 21:00.000 system-d testing on new features, 21:00.000 --> 21:02.000 bringing in all the kinds of enhancements 21:02.000 --> 21:05.000 and features that you would see on Fedora 21:05.000 --> 21:08.000 but also now optimized on a CENTOS space. 21:08.000 --> 21:11.000 Thank you very much, Neil. 21:12.000 --> 21:15.000 We have one other signal, 21:15.000 --> 21:18.000 what you handed to him and he'll 21:18.000 --> 21:20.000 he'll know what to do with it. 21:20.000 --> 21:24.000 We have one other person from another sig. 21:24.000 --> 21:28.000 The other sig is all turned of images sig. 21:28.000 --> 21:30.000 Troy Dawson, would you come up here? 21:30.000 --> 21:32.000 Yes, yes, I will. 21:32.000 --> 21:33.000 Thank you very much. 21:33.000 --> 21:35.000 Let me put on my other hat. 21:35.000 --> 21:41.000 One of the things I do in the CENTOS 21:41.000 --> 21:43.000 stream team is I make the actual images. 21:43.000 --> 21:45.000 And I got frustrated that there is a 21:45.000 --> 21:48.000 tin of Troy, you're talking 21:48.000 --> 21:50.000 before I asked you the questions. 21:50.000 --> 21:54.000 Why did you start your, why did you start 21:54.000 --> 21:56.000 starting to sig? 21:56.000 --> 21:59.000 And what does it do? 21:59.000 --> 22:02.000 Oh, sorry, I got ahead myself. 22:03.000 --> 22:06.000 I was working with the CENTOS stream making the images. 22:06.000 --> 22:08.000 And I'm like these images just come in 22:08.000 --> 22:09.000 10 gig size. 22:09.000 --> 22:12.000 I want this smaller size for my installation 22:12.000 --> 22:17.000 because I keep hitting my internet cap. 22:17.000 --> 22:22.000 And then I asked around the CENTOS community. 22:22.000 --> 22:24.000 And there's other people, like, 22:24.000 --> 22:27.000 hyper scale and I actually have several of the 22:27.000 --> 22:30.000 hyper scale people on our sig. 22:30.000 --> 22:32.000 And we still, yes, we still do. 22:32.000 --> 22:34.000 And we have a few others that are not on the 22:34.000 --> 22:35.000 hyper scale. 22:35.000 --> 22:37.000 So what sort of things do you do? 22:37.000 --> 22:41.000 Well, we make these images up here as you see here. 22:41.000 --> 22:44.000 We make live images. 22:44.000 --> 22:49.000 Those are currently one of the most popular. 22:49.000 --> 22:52.000 We make them for every desktop. 22:52.000 --> 22:54.000 You know, you see, for nine, we got CENTOS 22:54.000 --> 22:58.000 KDE, Matai slash make of whatever you want to pronounce. 22:58.000 --> 23:01.000 We have CTE that we have this CENTOS Max min. 23:01.000 --> 23:05.000 My favorite is min, but also Max. 23:05.000 --> 23:09.000 Min is a text-based live thing, which, you know, 23:09.000 --> 23:12.000 has no desktop, but it's great for low memory. 23:12.000 --> 23:15.000 Something you just want to boot in and do something. 23:15.000 --> 23:18.000 You're talking a little too much. 23:18.000 --> 23:20.000 Say about that. 23:20.000 --> 23:23.000 But Max has all of the desktops. 23:23.000 --> 23:26.000 The other one that is becoming much more popular 23:26.000 --> 23:31.000 is WSL images. 23:31.000 --> 23:37.000 Those are images to run CENTOS stream on Windows. 23:37.000 --> 23:40.000 Anyway, I don't use them much, but other people 23:40.000 --> 23:42.000 have been asking for them. 23:42.000 --> 23:45.000 They were excited for it. 23:45.000 --> 23:47.000 Does it do graphics? 23:47.000 --> 23:50.000 Yes, if you saw my CENTOS, 23:50.000 --> 23:53.000 they do graphics, but the CENTOS stream 23:53.000 --> 23:58.000 doesn't run Firefox, KDE, all sorts of fun things. 23:58.000 --> 24:02.000 Thank you very much. 24:02.000 --> 24:05.000 Okay. 24:05.000 --> 24:08.000 Two cats. 24:08.000 --> 24:11.000 I actually do have a CENTOS stocking cap, 24:11.000 --> 24:13.000 but I didn't want to wear it through the whole thing, 24:13.000 --> 24:15.000 and what a sweater did that. 24:15.000 --> 24:18.000 Anyway, the CENTOS project, 24:18.000 --> 24:22.000 it is a great thing, it is more than just CENTOS stream. 24:22.000 --> 24:27.000 It's got a lot of neat and interesting things. 24:27.000 --> 24:30.000 I would have actually brought up many more things 24:30.000 --> 24:33.000 that it would have been a great thing. 24:33.000 --> 24:36.000 But I figured too was enough. 24:36.000 --> 24:39.000 It is a CENTOS stream, 24:39.000 --> 24:42.000 as an operating system maintained by real engineers. 24:42.000 --> 24:45.000 It's not going to just sort of go away. 24:45.000 --> 24:46.000 As long as there's real, 24:46.000 --> 24:50.000 you're going to get your CENTOS stream maintained for five years. 24:51.000 --> 24:54.000 It's released every three years. 24:54.000 --> 24:57.000 It's supported for five-ish years. 24:57.000 --> 25:00.000 It's five years from the time that realm, 25:00.000 --> 25:03.000 the corresponding realm releases. 25:03.000 --> 25:07.000 So that's a pretty good time. 25:07.000 --> 25:10.000 And thank you. 25:10.000 --> 25:20.000 Do we have any questions? 25:20.000 --> 25:23.000 Yeah, he stole my hat. 25:23.000 --> 25:25.000 But it's just too hot. 25:25.000 --> 25:27.000 Do we have any questions? 25:27.000 --> 25:28.000 Sorry. 25:28.000 --> 25:33.000 We got one over there. 25:33.000 --> 25:34.000 Okay. 25:34.000 --> 25:38.000 Do you see yourself pursuing an alternative career 25:38.000 --> 25:42.000 in STEM that's not a comedy? 25:42.000 --> 25:45.000 No, but I do see myself in a fashion designer. 25:45.000 --> 25:47.000 Except for nobody likes my fashion. 25:47.000 --> 25:51.000 I should be here. 25:51.000 --> 25:54.000 I also have a series question. 25:54.000 --> 25:58.000 I can't talk to you today, so forgive me. 25:58.000 --> 26:04.000 Do you see this sex-powered organization 26:04.000 --> 26:08.000 on model spreading to other districts in the future? 26:08.000 --> 26:10.000 I certainly hope so. 26:10.000 --> 26:15.000 Now, I think CENTOS SIGS was model off of Fedora's SIGS. 26:15.000 --> 26:22.000 But to me, I feel like the CENTOS SIGS have more freedom than the Fedora's SIGS. 26:22.000 --> 26:24.000 Do you think it's the other way around? 26:24.000 --> 26:29.000 But anyway, it's at least corresponding with Fedora. 26:29.000 --> 26:31.000 I don't see it spreading to realm. 26:31.000 --> 26:35.000 I don't know how that would happen. 26:35.000 --> 26:37.000 Yeah, I'm not going to do it. 26:37.000 --> 26:43.000 But I hope it spreads to Susay, open Susay. 26:43.000 --> 26:45.000 I don't know the deviant Ubuntu. 26:45.000 --> 26:48.000 Oh, I'm getting a nod from a Susay. 26:48.000 --> 26:49.000 Oh, Alma. 26:49.000 --> 26:52.000 Alma, Linux, possibly Rocket Linux? 26:52.000 --> 26:54.000 Yeah. 26:54.000 --> 26:58.000 So yes, I do see the SIGS thing spreading. 26:58.000 --> 27:00.000 Because it empowers people. 27:00.000 --> 27:03.000 It allows people to use what they want. 27:03.000 --> 27:08.000 I'm not only the CENTOS SIGS, one of the main teenagers, 27:08.000 --> 27:11.000 or I'm not a package maintainer. 27:11.000 --> 27:13.000 I put it all together. 27:13.000 --> 27:15.000 Whatever that is called, but I'm a user. 27:15.000 --> 27:17.000 I'm really like CENTOS SIGS. 27:17.000 --> 27:23.000 So what are the biggest pain points in this kind of approach in your opinion? 27:23.000 --> 27:24.000 Using the SIGS? 27:24.000 --> 27:25.000 Yeah. 27:26.000 --> 27:29.000 The biggest pain point is CENTOS SIGS. 27:29.000 --> 27:33.000 And that it is tied directly to realm. 27:33.000 --> 27:37.000 And you can talk to Neil about pain points. 27:37.000 --> 27:40.000 But just so you know the alternative image is SIGS. 27:40.000 --> 27:42.000 We don't change things. 27:42.000 --> 27:44.000 We'll put Apple on top of it. 27:44.000 --> 27:45.000 We'll put things on top of it. 27:45.000 --> 27:49.000 But we do not change the base realm because we want people 27:49.000 --> 27:52.000 when they install our alternative images to get the base realm. 27:52.000 --> 27:56.000 Whereas hyperscales, skids, hyperscales. 27:56.000 --> 27:58.000 Yeah, I know. 27:58.000 --> 28:02.000 Yes, words are hard. 28:02.000 --> 28:05.000 But they do changes. 28:05.000 --> 28:09.000 And the fact that the realm packages cannot be changed. 28:09.000 --> 28:13.000 But as you can see, there's some SIGS that want to keep the same 28:13.000 --> 28:14.000 something one to change. 28:14.000 --> 28:18.000 But that is, in my opinion, probably a pain point. 28:18.000 --> 28:19.000 Thank you. 28:20.000 --> 28:21.000 Good. 28:21.000 --> 28:23.000 Oh, that was just people. 28:23.000 --> 28:24.000 There is one. 28:24.000 --> 28:25.000 Thanks. 28:25.000 --> 28:29.000 Oh, there's, I think to one on the other side too. 28:32.000 --> 28:33.000 Hello. 28:33.000 --> 28:36.000 I have to admit, I haven't used SENTOS. 28:36.000 --> 28:38.000 But I would like to have the question about SENTOS. 28:38.000 --> 28:39.000 Not about the SIGS. 28:39.000 --> 28:40.000 If that's okay. 28:40.000 --> 28:41.000 That's fine. 28:44.000 --> 28:47.000 What would be, I mean, convincing for an end user. 28:47.000 --> 28:48.000 This is admin. 28:48.000 --> 28:50.000 Do you use SENTOS stream? 28:50.000 --> 28:51.000 Okay. 28:51.000 --> 28:52.000 SENTOS stream. 28:52.000 --> 28:56.000 Instead of say, all the Linux or Rockie Linux. 28:56.000 --> 28:58.000 And that's a good question. 28:58.000 --> 29:01.000 I almost answered that question before. 29:01.000 --> 29:02.000 As, as a SIS admin. 29:02.000 --> 29:05.000 And this is the last question we're out of time. 29:05.000 --> 29:07.000 At least that's what the science said. 29:07.000 --> 29:13.000 As a SIS admin, I like it because I don't have that every six month jump. 29:14.000 --> 29:16.000 Real has a jump. 29:16.000 --> 29:19.000 Fedora has a jump every six months. 29:19.000 --> 29:22.000 SENTOS stream has a once a week update. 29:22.000 --> 29:24.000 But there's no major jump. 29:24.000 --> 29:26.000 And that's why I like it. 29:26.000 --> 29:28.000 A lot of people just use a for testing. 29:28.000 --> 29:30.000 You know, I'm doing real and testing. 29:30.000 --> 29:34.000 But as an admin, that is why I like it. 29:34.000 --> 29:37.000 If others don't like it, that is fine. 29:37.000 --> 29:40.000 I'm totally fine with whatever people like running. 29:40.000 --> 29:42.000 But it's, it would be stable enough. 29:43.000 --> 29:45.000 Oh, yeah, definitely stable enough. 29:45.000 --> 29:48.000 It's, it's real stable. 29:48.000 --> 29:52.000 There's, there's many tests that gaming tests that we said. 29:52.000 --> 29:55.000 That's a pretty intensive thing. 29:55.000 --> 29:57.000 And my time is up. 29:57.000 --> 29:59.000 Thank you very much. 29:59.000 --> 30:00.000 And thank you. 30:00.000 --> 30:02.000 Thank you.