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Hello everybody, okay today I'm talking about with five so you know we all

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respect guys and I hope everybody here's a risk quite guys in Sunnan and

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the NATO okay so the day we talk about how high is risk five and how we're

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going to drive it I don't know that I didn't know my is it's okay I just had to

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go say okay I hold in it okay and and why we call it unstoppable force behind

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linnis on risk five it today we're going to talk about it okay for people

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doesn't know me you can you can Google me and and and risk five and

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you link and risk five foundation and an laptop you can find me so I'm the

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founder of tip computing so and what we're going to do actually I set up the

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goal three years ago we only do risk five premium products we have the pioneer

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we focus on consumer electronics and you can see Pat and even speed smart

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speakers and some more than personal computing device as well laptops and besides

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that oh I think the my property going off and on and I do nimo can choke

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car and balloon so people should in down so there's all one risk five so what

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what risk five is it's a very good person that's why we all in just now

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we are on ninnis canals right so it's very big so one day just nine in

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this we're going to be mainstream we're going to be

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on macOS windows and dry and ninnis so it just same as risk five just as

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sooner or later only so it's the 30% of ISA this is going to happen so and when

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it's just now David Paterson in in the summit say it's that nowadays there's no

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big company you're not talking about risk five so they are all either doing

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publicly or either do it privately and secretly they all do in risk five so

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you can see so people join risk five join the dance join the stage you we are

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going to compete with the big lanes even us now us we're deep computing we're

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small team thirty fifty people but we compete with Lenovo we compete with

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Dale and the trees and we pull our way our friends to compete so

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risk five join his heart it's body heart today how many of you guys know how long

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on risk five now when is the day they born and found it anyone knows

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where good guess no actually is is 15 years now so and 15 years we hit the

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milestone with RBA 23 the first published standard okay so people is you can

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see it's long how well but we get in there so you know X86 actually is quite

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hard before you know you can compete with a MIPS compete with Solaris

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you can be a power you know actually everybody going to her world but it's not

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easy but I'm as well I used to run you know I'm a lock here some feature phones

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platforms we lock here help um becomes the one-voltaic case in in in feature

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phones so you know lock here fail Android comes back welcome come back and then

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Mtk as well so risk five what's going to be right this two with everybody

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is deep nob shit deep sick AI right AI so how how are we gonna do it so from

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2025 it's gonna be AI same as us same as with five so and my analogy why three

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years ago I drawn uh uh with five times instead I have an analogy of a

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linear's kind of why why why why what is his faith and destiny so what it is all

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about openness well it's special when you come into AI your model is trained and you

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had to open source in that people see your brain you know how bad is it how good is

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it right it's the openness it's all about openness 886 it's a close source it's from

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US it's driven by US and it's owned by Intel and AMD or whatever the 886

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consortium is right so um it's from Europe from Manchester from SIP company but it's

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driven by global without the SMC I'm won't happen without Apple I'm won't happen

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without Google I'm won't happen because Nokia only help arm to reach the mid levels

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not high performance so so you can see arm is semi-cross and semi-open right it's

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owned by arm so arms you can shut down quote come right the logic but because quote

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come is it's a defense supplier so we can shut it down right so so this fine is

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the from US but now in my way to Europe it's driven by Asia at the moment

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because geopolitics right it's about at the end of the day when in this

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can know same as nines can know it belongs to humanity it's not a race it's not a

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country it's not a government so it's belongs to everyone it's open up you

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understand it you can make it right my dream is that everybody in the university can

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make a chip with open source IP core IP open source DDR open source PCIE and everybody

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can fabric in the FPGA right it's a matter of better or worse but we do have

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it's owned by humanity so it's same as nines can know that's why I say

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this fight is fun it's about humanity to be open we open we improve and we

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accept people's advantage it is a one-titch so and we we make the world better

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world it's not a shitty world nine now we know so it's real hard this fight is

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rare hard the third year now you know people asking me my my boy asking me

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when you're gonna make money now it's I don't know now I do not know so and I

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remember Lutai the chairman on risk five foundation is asked in Taiwan Taipei

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they say I raise a question what the state we are and then Lutai the chairman

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of foundation says we are in a deep depth lock cycle what is it what is that the

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software guy waiting for the hardware guy hardware guy waiting for the IP guy and

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then go around the circle chasing the tail right doesn't make money but nothing

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I can do so we try to break the circles so for me deep computing all we

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sell out to do is get this fight into you guys hand I make the for both

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expensive laptop the first risk file laptop is $5,000 I make 200 of them and there's

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200 crazy guys to pay me that but I do I still make lost but you know that's the

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ways but I keep going so 2024 I made another versions so wow and there's another

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crazy guy 500 guys enough for it for my tapric for my laptop and it's rare

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affordable price is every user selling price around $400 so that's what we do so

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and and what how how I do these things high tail so and and I basically is

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that low one desire so see for laptop you know because when did this

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I didn't they level can imagine what the hell we want to make a laptop right

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and and I remember one of the shareholder tricker me saying that you

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need this there's no way we want to make a well-being boy so you can't make

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name of it but you can't make money of it so what's the point and then I think

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works the hardest product to make wow laptop it's body hard you know first of

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all the SOC guy or the IP guy when they decided it they not decided it for

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laptop they don't know what they designed it for they put everything inside but

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none of them works but no that's the world right so we in both you know we keep

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territory telling them you should do it their way used to their ways to their way so

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we involve all the IP and SOC guy and even the system guy so and and the other

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thing is that I find it satisfies rare fun it is because the way is because it

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represents the openness to of a humanities it's just a nine in this that's why

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we have a what 10,000 people he invoked and right this first ever time in my life

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I was a software guy but I'm rare close so I'm so rare guy I used to work for a zero

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off right everything is close source from a tool chain to always to chipset and then I

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walk on on Java is same rare close right since or are these things but we

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inspire people we inspire people with openness so we we keep introduce more potential

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guys coming to join us just as I say now for for for this five people

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back in five years ago then they designed the IP people have different KPIs and

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SOC as well they all have a big KPI but they do not know what you do to compete with

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right so and then we come up a lot of problems so we have a recommendation issue

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with a technical compatibility issue and also we have all the alignment,

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priority alignments, all different so nobody needs it to me because I'm small at the time

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but now I'm quite big and everybody trying to uh copala with us and they make better

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and also the problem of respite is that when you look at all the people on all the respite

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portfolio companies actually all together it's still smaller than I'm you know 102 into

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company probably all add it up all together it's not even as big as I'm so it's very small

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so resources so everybody's running against their life so but you know how we do it

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differently we've been open we can be slow right and then we have to evolve in different

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stages so like us we make we decide to make motherboard with the oldest chips the first

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chip has produced chips it's small is slow but we we spin it around so in different stages

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and then we continue going around circles right then we introduce a lot of polish around it

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for framework you went to federal or whoever in different stages so that's me and and we manage to

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convince you know I tell an I tell sports and and canonical and not charging me an arm

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for putting well you went to logo on it thank you very much and because yeah we we we

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develop a lab with federal as well and trying to get federal or visual support of it but we all

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lack of the server so so now and and I'm very honored this five foundation giving me

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contributor war so you guys know me besides anime money I'm still trying where are

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yeah so we got oh you went to federal or no our laptop now it's still where we have one progress

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and hopefully by 2025 you went to will build their image to support us officially so every

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them from 2025 hopefully you went to can do it it's a long way to go so and then last step you know

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I'm a software guy after I make two laptops myself I finally know man this hard to hard well

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you lose it money you sleep in the factory it's very hard I say I don't enjoy it and then

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lucky enough I find one guy and they call framework enough I ping him on twitter saying

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can I back you right and you do the shell I do the motherboard and then say oh why

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lot we're open so that's it all right so that's I say every stage differently and we

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follow with different partners to make this fight to do you guys head and hope you guys can

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have a longer enjoyment or no a product instead of a short term by one our tablet and then

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you get legacy um yeah poverty this so that that is the the ways so now we we have very happy

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in the you you went to submit and then we all announce all these crazy things so and and in

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this laptop everything's five five school driver on the back and then

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and five school on the fun and five cables and then you can swap the motherboard so people

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have no more excuse it's not using this five you can swap back to x86 okay so go and buy a free

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walk you're right going buy a free walk for your kids for yourself for your company the reason

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being is that it's affordable it's an environmental you only need one laptop for your whole life

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and you can be upgraded right so go for it okay even though now it's just only a few hundred

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more expensive but look in the tongue in the nine for five three year five years seven years

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it's much more cheaper and it's better to the wall there's no one buying the novel xb and del

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it's a snye just now we mean this guy why I want to use windows why this is so

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better than it's now I'm trying to solve the biggest problem of this five

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as I say now you know I'm in core calm and empty game you put in a load software engineering

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in guarantee of streaming this fight doesn't have the last stories right so and and you know

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as I say even now I can put you windows no go on the framework right but naturally they don't build

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the image I build it right but they're dangerous and the other thing is that the ring reason is not

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enough streaming very well well just now I see email if somewhere so emails have been working

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with us very hard and we try to get silc we call it SDK the the the the ninis can

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know SDK give it to us and in which kind of stream whatever the device driver device tree

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and all these things because you know every every strike company we have a scare resources

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like and make it up ship even harder so and I turn to guard and I turn to liners say can you give

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us green night everything we submitted just let it go not go in food uh the the review cycle

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this very buddy rainbow it takes body nine months right so and then what I'm sorry come back

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so go ahead saying that 12 years ago I made a video and he has the video so good people can

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on you can read about it say okay so see guy when you do an FPGA please up streaming so yeah

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so that will solve the problem so of course I I try to push and as we can to push the IP guy

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push the so see guy upstream as much as possible making the chips much simpler as possible so so

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2005 for framework laptops for all the motherboard going to make we're going to hopefully

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they're all off streaming okay once they're out they're all off stream support there's only one

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thing doesn't support everybody guess what's not going to support it under upstream man

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keep it exactly that's exactly the same as liners 20 years ago right the two finger give it to

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whole the most wearable company and media same thing responds you given that to GPU

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by anyway nothing we can do it unless we are rich enough to buy off the GPU company I will open

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this source it all the way right come on you reverse here are the damage come on stop making

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an open source GPU put it into the FPGA and then we can start using no matter how slow how fast

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it is it's better than nothing right so and yeah I talk about a little rubbish I give you

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sometimes an exciting things and in 2024 we got framework for course motherboard coming yeah

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it's mesh produce now you can get it on our website you can get it on our framework's website

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our website and if we if we don't drop the ball we're going to have 64 core build machine

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to guarantee you burn to wrap hat to give me their official support image best of luck

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and then more exciting things we're going to have a core AI coming future so it's going to be

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as usual we're going to be announcing to some of it okay people do join the

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research some of it in Paris I'm going to try my heart is to be French there

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and I might do a one last longer focal affordable cloud desktop and make sure people

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low more excuses not using this file I give you cloud desktop right a laptop and then you can

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call to the windows and do your PowerPoint right and then and hopefully along end of the year we

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have a 12 course system called coming and then for the framework 16 inch with all the powerful GPU

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AI car PCIe stuff so so people talk about deep say deep say right and we cannot afford

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low to talk about here right so this is our our latest research sorry I you can take a picture

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but you can't see nothing here anyway so there's two two cluster there chip that so it's going to

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be uh two gigahertz a core right and there's going to be sister GLDI we're going to be better than

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NVIDIA extensions okay and the the land of well-aways a gigahertz but we're going to have 50

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tops AI but I don't know how to use it yet and I live to deep-sit the final how to use it and then

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we are very powerful in order so it's it's going to be very good for AI generally what are we

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image here so last year we're going to have all the first them with bi-generated image around

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and stick on the wall so and we're going to have our review I want to zero immigration on the DSP so

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good luck to me yeah so and hopefully you can put down and also because it's a motherboard

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you can stuck in there and and and it just runs so and and now take this opportunity

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and I call for the applications so we have 50 tops and once we are nons

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probably in in research I submit in Paris so we call for the applications and you guys you guys can

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and help and find out how to use deep-sick right to do the problem on the device side

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and why device AI is important even in more in reinforcement training and an inference because

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you don't want your data to go up to the cow right give it to the money pretty guys go go

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Microsoft whoever you don't want your data give it to them you're on them all right so

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and and even you can generate video we have very powerful video encoder and a very powerful

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so you guys think about it and also we can use a video conference and I remember I think

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we've we we'll see guys here right so we can do some video conferencing or video

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translation guy things and using deep-sick translated to all different language and make the whole

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Europe you know our Europe you know we've got 30 languages becomes one right so and and

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you know hopefully less yeah we need to when I do here I can do all the live translations

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into all different dialects and also we are looking into web API web GPU equivalent will

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call it web LOM stuff people can begin to stand up and help to use whatever the hardware we're going

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going down and we probably can do this call as well so people can imagine it's of course last

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below least is robotics so and and use people can think about using the framework motherboard

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pinning to their robotics and and start using biop types you to drive or the peripherals

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so if anyone wants a talk and wants a let wheels robot a photo come find me all right

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yeah here you're going to find me in in the booth it's free and talk to me and that's it that's all

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for me thank you very much thank you well we might have five minutes for questions okay good if

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there's any if there's any I went on framework website to see this motherboard but it's still

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not available I cannot buy it so yeah when it will be available for a car after Chinese new year

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they all shut down the half the world shut down you know the whole you know and you

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didn't pick a look the map the world actually half the world post okay so you mentioned that you

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work for zerox and some and then all of a sudden sort of you decided to do that sort of open

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work for humanity as you said well what was the thing that's put you to this change of heart

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oh I tell you what I do my twenty years back twenty five years career back so my first

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job I was doing my PhD I didn't grant and then zerox hired me and back in food is zerox everything's

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co-source what happened to the co-source company did I right same as us right if we're close where

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close we're gonna block them anything else from someone else right so and I would say that and open

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this is very important such as as a human such as a team such as a company and open is

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very important this is destiny is a matter of time my Linus Linus gone through the whole

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very difficult period time but they now they're mainstream so so tough openness per well

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closer dying just a matter of time keep computing watch and phone when oh it's

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found it in the cover all right we we make the first laptop talk 18 months and a lot of people

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even lawyer writing to the foundation saying that this is a scam they got us money but they

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were the deal because in covid you can't get the supply chain to work and now the second thing

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I don't have experience but you know we we did it is 2023 and the first aroma we call it

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aroma because Rome is not built in a day right so and also and the good thing is because

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our staff from us risked with more you know Rome so that is 2023 now 2024 hopefully by 2025 with the

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AIPC coming very powerful and hopefully become getting into the mainstream right that's why we aim

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to do regarding phones and watches have you had any collaboration with pine 64 people?

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no no you know I should I'm open you know I the prices before is

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unsmanly for mom I unsmanly from risk fight even is losing people are afraid what I can't I can't

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sell windows why I'm doing this why can I why all we've got to focus yeah I think a

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best quick question we will I raise the question to the Swiss government and we we should ask

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European Union to make sure windows support is fight otherwise find their money right that we walk

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thank you very much my pleasure my owner here

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you