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OK.

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So tell us the story of the heck of a process.

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All right.

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So my name is Mattia.

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People often call me cook.

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You may have seen the duck before.

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And this is a story of a little duck and a hacker train.

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So what happened was, first of all,

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it's clearly a question, what is a hacker train?

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Hacker train, as well, a train full of hackers

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and in our case, a duck.

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So we have a sticker.

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We have a domain name now since January.

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It's always a good start for a geeky project.

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But here's the origin of the story.

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It's like, and for several years, we've

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been thinking of just around 10,000 geeks at Faustown.

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Most of them are from Europe.

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Europe has mostly decent railways.

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Why don't we do something with this?

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So we had like early goals, like, OK, like for short-term goals,

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like, let's make the first thing, let's make the thing fun.

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So we want to make sure that hackers meet on a train

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because in such a big place that as Faustown

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is, you will bump into a lot of people.

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But if you don't know them, maybe you won't

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start a conversation, but if you're stuck on a train together

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for, you know, some hours, you might get to learn each other.

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And also, it's a ecological and comfortable way

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to travel, and we're comfortable ish,

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depending on your preferences.

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So the long-term goal was also, well, let's

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make it more affordable and more convenient for people

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to actually go on a train.

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As we've probably heard throughout the day,

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so I won't be drawn on about that.

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All right, so what's the plan?

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So clearly, there was a plan A.

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You can assume that plan A was not what happened,

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but we have plan A in a draw, and I hope

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it's going to happen at some point.

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So the idea was, why don't we just charter a whole freaking

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train with hackers on it, and just figure out

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the route, how we want to get to foster them,

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and pick up all these hackers along the way,

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and we're going to have, you know, we're going to have a carriage

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for hardware hacking, we're going to have a carriage

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for networking, and we're going to have a carriage

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for dropping that and sleeping.

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So that was the big plan.

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So yeah, we went.

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So there were guys like this guy here,

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and a few others in our hackerspace, who

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when I presented that last year at Fazem,

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I said, you know, completely pine this guy idea,

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and they went online, and like five minutes later,

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we're like, you actually can.

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You're like, okay, let's explore this.

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And I have to say, I was not the oldest one in the room.

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So I wasn't this side.

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There were people who were older than me,

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and more experienced on that side,

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and was like, please, somebody be the adult in the room.

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And the adults in the room were like,

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that's a chakul idea.

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So, right, so I get into our contact with Slovenian school.

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Listen, it's a, they said, oh, that's really funny,

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because we know exactly how much it costs

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to create a custom line from Ljubljana to Brussels and back,

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because somebody was trying to do that a few months ago.

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Well, the odds was not about Fazem.

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So I know how much it costs, specifically,

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I have it to the Euro exact, but it's roughly 96K Euros.

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And you got a custom line, and the train stays here,

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and then you get the custom route back home.

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But it only has seats, it has no electricity on board,

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and you have to have, you know,

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there's like 200 odd seats that you have to fill.

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Which we calculated, like really short,

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is like, yeah, that's a bit expensive.

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So, no.

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Plan B.

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The standard obvious solution.

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Let's take Slovenian school, Ljubljana to the baby,

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maybe Deutsche Mann, and had a question, okay.

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And then, just maybe just reserve a carriage.

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So, yeah, that's sensible.

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So, we started discussing that,

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and then there was the chicken and egg problem.

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So, which route do we take,

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and how many people will be on it,

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and you don't know which route you will take,

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and how many people will be on it before you know,

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which people want to be on it,

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and you don't know which people to spam with,

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before you know, which route you want to take.

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So, while we were chicken and egging,

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and also, you know, the reservation

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might probably cost us some money.

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So, while we were chicken and egging,

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somebody from Mitella, which is a hacker space,

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and Triasta, said, you know, there's this new company,

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that they set up, they're setting up a direct night

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friend from Venice to Brussels, and they were like,

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oh, yeah, that is so convenient.

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So, I rented them up, I sent them an email.

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Kudos to the lady, that she actually answered back,

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because I was stupid enough to start the email with,

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I'm organizing a hacker train.

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And I was back then, where the Polish hackers with the train

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were still a flesh memory.

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So, after I convinced you to actually go on a voice call

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with me, we established like, and like the first five minutes

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that no, we're not going to the train.

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They were very helpful, and it turns out

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that we can't take, this late pause this year,

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the Venice route, because the Venice route establishes

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in three days for the first time,

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which is a bit late for pause them, at least this year.

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So, but she said, well, but we have,

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like, a really nice night train from Prague to Brussels,

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and I can look down a Prague,

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I said, it's super simple.

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We'll just give you a custom booking link,

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and you just send the link to whoever,

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and once, you know, one or two days before the train leaves,

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we'll just squish everybody who used that booking link

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into the same part of the train,

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so you guys can be together.

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Look, okay, that's convenient,

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and it's just that I would just give you 10% discount,

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because that's a cool idea, like, okay.

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So, that's what we did.

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How did it actually go?

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Numbers are weird, so I spend quite a bit of time spamming

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in all sorts of places, including every hacker's place

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on hackerspaces.org in the 50 kilometer radius

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on the Prague Brussels line.

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FSFE was great to include us in their newsletter.

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We were featured as one of the Faust and Pringe events,

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et cetera, et cetera, which resulted in,

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just before the train left,

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it was like 2.6,000 unique visitors to the post,

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but which described what we are doing.

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In turn, resulted in 40 clicks on the actual booking link.

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So, European sleeper still does that,

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it resulted in 16 to 20 bookings, total,

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and, you know, on Monday,

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or what it used to, it used on New Tuesday,

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they were like, seven people on the actual train.

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So, what I suspect is, the way we was set it up

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was that you could use the booking link in either direction

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and there was like a two weeks before and after window.

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So, I'm pretty sure like some people used it to go

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like two days before, two days after we went,

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which is fine.

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So, you know, there was also like,

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then asked ourselves, I mean, there's a big difference

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between this and this.

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I mean, this clearly anecdotal evidence,

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but we asked a few of the people who we know,

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said no, and there's, you know,

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classical answer to expansive two-time consuming.

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In Slovenia specifically,

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forst them is in the middle of exams season.

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So, Yuri is the only one who came

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because he managed to organize it, for him,

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but most of the other students couldn't.

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And what surprised me was that when,

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because I was spamming all these hacker spaces,

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quite a few answers I got was the hacker spaces,

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just don't go to foster them,

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which surprised me to be honest.

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I mean, this might need further investigation.

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But not for me, that's some other question.

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So, we heard earlier today, also that, yes, you know,

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it's more convenient, it's faster, et cetera, et cetera,

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et cetera, to go with other ways.

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And this year we made a comparison

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because some of us, the seven of us,

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went with the option A, so plan C, that we did.

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And a different colleague, when the standard route,

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like, went through with Ebib,

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and Yuri, because of time constraints,

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because of exams, had to take the train.

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And so this is like a typical way how you would go

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if you're in a hurry, and on a budget,

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from Lublana to Brussels.

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And the other two are just like option A

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and option B when it comes to a night train.

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I don't think that's a huge difference,

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especially if you count just that day-time travel,

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instead of the whole travel.

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So that was interesting, but yeah,

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so how did train actually go?

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And this is where the duck comes in.

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So this is a picture from the train station in Prague

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about an hour before we left,

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where me and Leon back then,

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they were sitting at the cafe and with together with the duck.

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And we were like, is anybody actually going to show up?

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Just nobody told us they're going to show the only one

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we heard about showing up was a lady from Tennessee,

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who said she's going to go.

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And then she emailed us the day before that her plane

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is late, and she's not going to be able to go with us.

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And we're like, it's just me, you went the duck, mate.

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But people did show up.

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So this had ultimately the way we were seven.

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So this was the train, the second from the bottom.

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This is how the train looked like.

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It was a bit old, but inside it was okay.

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And yeah, so we were like, the duck was there

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to show people where the official meeting place is.

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This was the most comfortable way we could find

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to get the poor duckie.

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But it hit at his job.

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So this is where we were actually meeting

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until what, like, one, 30 in the evening,

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and then we went to sleep.

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So yeah, that's the crew.

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That's the crew from another angle.

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It's still the same people.

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So we're only seven and a duck.

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We did have an unconference on it.

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So we discussed quite a lot of things, as I said.

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We were up until very late in the evening,

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and then honestly, like next day, when we went off the train,

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we still hung out together for quite some time,

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and we created the chat room group,

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and we ordinated to show each other, where to go,

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what to see each other.

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It was great.

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So yeah, I mean, there are some lessons to be learned, of course,

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for organizers, which in this case was me.

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We figured out that instant the chat groups

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and direct nails to other organizers are much more efficient

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than sending things to official mailing lists.

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So a mailing list of a hacker space

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was basically a black hole.

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I don't think we, at least from what we could tell,

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we didn't get any reply from any of the mailing lists

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with an mailing list to mail to.

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I short about, would have been really nice,

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especially for me, and loud and back there.

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And yeah, although as I showed, it's not much more expensive.

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It would still be really nice if we could subsidize

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the trip for those who have a harder time paying something

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for that, so sponsors would be nice.

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King Finne, and something that we also noticed

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was that there were several people who, you know,

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we went pretty early because of the fringe events.

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And I'll be honest, I mean, I had some fringe events

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I had to be on, so I just said, well,

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let me know, although we did have a vote.

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We did have a public vote on when we're going.

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It just happened to my choice one.

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But yeah, it would be, so I know that some people

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and a few days after, on the same route,

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and I know that some people wanted to go,

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but there would have been on a different route.

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So if we had more resources, like more people

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volunteer in, et cetera, we could maybe do different spokes

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or different times, and I would have been cool.

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And if anybody wants to do the same thing for CCC

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or some other conference, very happy to share one another.

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But I'm not going to do it.

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And yeah, some suggestions, also, for, you know,

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railway companies, et cetera, et cetera,

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is an important part here.

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I'm not going to draw on about booking,

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making booking easier.

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There's several things about making booking easier

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would have helped us.

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And the European Planner project, if I knew about that,

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we might have done things differently.

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But just as an anecdote, it took me, last time,

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to convince the scared lady on over voice over IP,

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from, no, we're not hacking your train.

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To, oh, great, here's a booking link.

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Everything is sorted.

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Then it took me to go to the kind lady behind the landscape.

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She lives in the counter and got my own ticket,

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just want ticket from Lubliana to Prague, to be on time.

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And even then, and then we got into the laser

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a pain and December schedule changes a pain.

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As if those two things didn't happen, me and I, me and Leon,

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wouldn't have to stay overnight in Prague.

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We could have done that in a one day trip,

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instead of staying in Prague for an X-ray, which was nice

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because we visited some hackerspaces in Prague, but still.

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And that's it.

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So, you know, what about the future?

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Honestly, it depends on you.

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It was, I was spent, I'm spent.

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But it was fun enough.

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So, we're doing an interest check for next year.

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And it's a bit more structured, surveys, a very short,

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but more structured surveys.

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So, we can know how many people want to go

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and where they would like to start.

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And when they would like to go,

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and then we'll see what's the interest.

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And then hopefully we can use some better tooling already

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to find a route, that's basically it for me.

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I'll leave this QR open so people can scan it.

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QR question.

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I think that the day is amazing since I've been arriving in Ross

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and for me, I'll leave it by train,

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I don't know, like a pain.

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Let's have a change.

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And my question is, we did the same for the line.

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We talked about Dr. Sino-Kamit, but I don't have it.

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So, come again, I didn't, I just didn't hear the last two, three words.

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We'll do this same initiative for upstream

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to do what I can see here.

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Can't do why it can't happen.

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How far or more I can, so they're following now,

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about what it is that I can't do.

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We come to the problem again.

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I have a full-time job.

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I'm helping run a hacker space.

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I do all sorts of other stuff.

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I wouldn't.

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I would very gladly help whoever wants to do that.

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As I said, we have a domain now.

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We don't do anything with the domain other

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than rerouting to my next cloud to do this.

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But if anybody volunteers to do that, I'm happy to share what

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I know, and I'm happy to help, however I can.

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But I don't think I'll be going on why,

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because of time constraints.

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But yeah, if you tag yourself, mention

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that you would like to have this and just check the boxes

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which you would like, or could help with.

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If you know, there's also some checkboxes,

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what you could help with if you want to.

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So the question was, would we do this for why it can't.

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My questions could make sense

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at some kind of virtual act of way,

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because you will always have to solve them

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because everyone is going from everywhere.

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But in our case, it would have been nice

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to play with Mita on the way from Colom to Brussels.

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So that we have just one part together

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where Mita people who have quite like here

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on the same thing with you too.

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So how can I summarize this question?

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So the question was, would it make sense

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to do it more of a virtual way, to just

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and we kind of did that.

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So there was in the forum thread where we discussed

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where we discussed the situation.

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We also said that you can use the prevailing app.

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And you can check the there that you want you traveling

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that you're traveling to Phosdom,

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and that people who are not on the official hacker train

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to Phosdom can coordinate that way,

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or use the forum to coordinate,

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so say, well, we're on that route, let's get together.

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So that would make sense, yeah.

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We tried that.

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I don't know how many people did it.

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I know that there's a group of people who are

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when two days after us,

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but they were a group of people already before.

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So I'm sorry, we are at a lot of time

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they need to clean up the room and thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

