WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:11.800 Hello everyone, I'm here to tell you all the truth about Maria. 00:11.800 --> 00:17.200 So why, first of all, why can I talk about Maria today? 00:17.200 --> 00:21.600 So I've been at Maria for 11 years and 10 days, 11 days, maybe today. 00:21.600 --> 00:23.600 So I have been through a many different things. 00:23.600 --> 00:26.800 I started as what we call a nicey, so in the individual contributor. 00:26.800 --> 00:32.600 Now I'm managing an organization about 50 people, some of the managers who I work with are in the room. 00:32.600 --> 00:37.800 And I'm a nerd and a geek at least, and I'm writing patches in Firefox. 00:37.800 --> 00:40.200 So I know how to develop in Firefox. 00:40.200 --> 00:47.000 I'm not putting myself in the way of actual good developers, but I'm still writing patches from time to time. 00:47.000 --> 00:54.000 I'm also a spokesperson for the company, so that means that they can do a live interview on TV radio, mostly in French. 00:54.400 --> 00:57.400 You can get from my accent that I'm from France. 00:57.400 --> 01:03.400 So all the questions that you might ask me, I already had them from the list in the past. 01:03.400 --> 01:08.800 I'm also a long time marker, so I know open source pretty well, so I've been contributing to debut on for like 20 years. 01:08.800 --> 01:12.800 I'm also contributing to LVM and Clang, and some rest project. 01:12.800 --> 01:16.400 If you were there yesterday, I made a talking for them. 01:16.400 --> 01:18.400 So why is this talk? 01:18.400 --> 01:21.400 So when I left my previous company, I was looking for a new job. 01:21.400 --> 01:24.200 I was like, I want to do open source full-time. 01:24.200 --> 01:27.600 And I looked at the number of companies who are offering use of kind of option. 01:27.600 --> 01:30.400 And the modzi is amongst the only few on the planet we are. 01:30.400 --> 01:36.000 The Galia, Colabora, Canonical, some teams in Google, Apple, and Facebook if you're lucky. 01:36.000 --> 01:39.800 But modzi is really, really unique in that space. 01:39.800 --> 01:44.200 And I loved falling, and I loved reading at ICONUs and read it. 01:44.200 --> 01:48.600 And on some various websites, so if you're French and you like falling, you know, LinuxFR. 01:48.800 --> 01:55.200 And you can read all the weird things that people are writing about us as a company and as a project and so on. 01:55.200 --> 01:59.200 So I always love spending time with things or things. 01:59.200 --> 02:03.600 So first, who sings in the room, you understand modia? 02:03.600 --> 02:04.600 All right, it's the only few ends. 02:04.600 --> 02:09.400 I see end for Mimploye, and I'm not even sure that didn't know everything about the company. 02:09.400 --> 02:11.200 All the structure. 02:11.200 --> 02:14.000 But first, I'm going to ask you a question. 02:14.000 --> 02:17.800 So what do you think modia is for open source? 02:18.000 --> 02:19.600 Hey, so a few ends in the room. 02:19.600 --> 02:21.400 We are not doing free software at Media. 02:21.400 --> 02:23.600 We are really on the point source company. 02:23.600 --> 02:29.600 Even if most of our code, the vast majority of our code is on the OSI approved license. 02:29.600 --> 02:34.400 In the room, we have one of the author of the MPL, the modia public license. 02:34.400 --> 02:37.400 It is what we use for Firefox and most of our code. 02:37.400 --> 02:39.800 But we are a very pragmatic company. 02:39.800 --> 02:43.000 So for example, we use Slack, we use Google Docs. 02:43.000 --> 02:47.400 But we are still contributing to a lot of tools and leveraging a lot of tools which 02:47.400 --> 02:49.600 are open source like elements and discourse. 02:49.600 --> 02:52.400 And we are paying those companies. 02:52.400 --> 02:56.400 So we are also funding a lot of researchers who are publishing 02:56.400 --> 02:59.800 the resultizer in science or in code. 02:59.800 --> 03:01.200 We do that for security. 03:01.200 --> 03:05.400 We do that for research in LLM. 03:05.400 --> 03:08.200 One of my colleagues is doing going to do a talk right after. 03:08.200 --> 03:13.400 But the subject, we have the Bonti program, when I was researching for 03:13.400 --> 03:17.400 the slide, I realized that Media is the one on Net's Cave back in the day. 03:17.400 --> 03:22.400 The one who invented the Bonti program and we are still continuing 20 or 25 years after 03:22.400 --> 03:24.400 one of the managers that program is in the room. 03:24.400 --> 03:26.400 Also, if you have questions about it. 03:26.400 --> 03:32.400 And we also develop a lot of projects that are used for Firefox. 03:32.400 --> 03:37.400 And we just announced recently a program called Orcar Ready to fund previous 03:37.400 --> 03:38.400 session. 03:38.400 --> 03:41.400 So when you look at the survey and type fund or some sponsoring, 03:41.400 --> 03:43.400 they give you money to do a project. 03:43.400 --> 03:45.400 And with that initiative, they are already project. 03:45.400 --> 03:48.400 We give money to people who continue to be for. 03:48.400 --> 03:50.400 So for example, we speak of the GIS. 03:50.400 --> 03:56.400 We gave a few thousand euros to volunteer who have been contributing to that project for years. 03:56.400 --> 04:00.400 So what I also love about reading a read it and I can use. 04:00.400 --> 04:02.400 I did a quick search, Modia should. 04:02.400 --> 04:05.400 And you see a lot of opinion everywhere. 04:05.400 --> 04:06.400 So the slide. 04:06.400 --> 04:07.400 The slide. 04:07.400 --> 04:08.400 It doesn't. 04:08.400 --> 04:09.400 It should have something here. 04:09.400 --> 04:11.400 Anyway, you see a lot of people. 04:11.400 --> 04:12.400 Everybody has an opinion about Bonti. 04:12.400 --> 04:13.400 Yeah, what you should do. 04:13.400 --> 04:16.400 And it's quite funny to read all of their opinion. 04:16.400 --> 04:18.400 Sometimes it's like funny. 04:18.400 --> 04:22.400 So everything that it isn't black is either a world that starts by FU and ends by 04:22.400 --> 04:23.400 CK. 04:23.400 --> 04:28.400 Or this one starts with us talking about one part of my body. 04:28.400 --> 04:30.400 So it's an image that I received a few years ago. 04:30.400 --> 04:34.400 It's not very uncommon to receive insult on your personal email. 04:34.400 --> 04:35.400 So you have my personal email. 04:35.400 --> 04:38.400 So if you don't like that talk, you can send me similar insult. 04:38.400 --> 04:39.400 I don't mind. 04:39.400 --> 04:41.400 But it's surprising. 04:41.400 --> 04:42.400 And I'm not the only one. 04:42.400 --> 04:45.400 I'm sure that plenty of my colleagues and contributors. 04:45.400 --> 04:48.400 We see those kind of crazy melons of past. 04:48.400 --> 04:52.400 In that case, it's because we were pushing to many updates of fireworks at some point. 04:52.400 --> 04:55.400 And someone was not happy. 04:55.400 --> 04:56.400 We have also a good community. 04:56.400 --> 04:58.400 So we are plenty of tools. 04:58.400 --> 05:00.400 If you want to be involved in the Modia project. 05:00.400 --> 05:01.400 So we have this course. 05:01.400 --> 05:02.400 We have connect. 05:02.400 --> 05:05.400 So we are working with them to make it better. 05:05.400 --> 05:06.400 And bugs here. 05:06.400 --> 05:10.400 So if you have any issues with one of our product or if you have ideas of improvement, 05:10.400 --> 05:13.400 you can either send them on bugs here or connect. 05:13.400 --> 05:17.400 So who understand how Media operates in the room? 05:17.400 --> 05:18.400 A few people. 05:18.400 --> 05:20.400 One more time, my colleague. 05:20.400 --> 05:24.400 So Media, the beginning was the cod name of Netscape. 05:24.400 --> 05:28.400 When the decided that Netscape was doing to die. 05:28.400 --> 05:31.400 If my colleague continued to ship internet explorers, 05:31.400 --> 05:33.400 they decided to abandon source the cod. 05:33.400 --> 05:38.400 And here is where we are 25 years after. 05:38.400 --> 05:42.400 So we have a nonprofit, which is called Media Foundation. 05:42.400 --> 05:44.400 And we have a few subsidiaries. 05:44.400 --> 05:50.400 So Media Corporation, my employer, who is doing most of the development of the product currently. 05:50.400 --> 05:54.400 And we have also the people in Thunderbird who created a different structure, 05:54.400 --> 05:59.400 basically, and Media AI and Media venture. 05:59.400 --> 06:01.400 And we are driven by a mission. 06:01.400 --> 06:04.400 So everything that we do, we try to follow those 10 principles. 06:04.400 --> 06:07.400 I have two, five or eight, out of two first. 06:07.400 --> 06:09.400 And it is one of the reasons why I am staying at Media. 06:09.400 --> 06:12.400 And what I am fascinated by is that we have a mission statement. 06:12.400 --> 06:14.400 And we are trying to respect it. 06:14.400 --> 06:19.400 So that the internet is a global public resource that must be made open and accessible. 06:19.400 --> 06:21.400 And we can see that it is never easy. 06:21.400 --> 06:28.400 And some political changes in some countries are making that work other and even more relevant. 06:28.400 --> 06:31.400 So do you know how we make money? 06:31.400 --> 06:32.400 Yeah. 06:32.400 --> 06:35.400 A few people understand how we make money atmosphere. 06:35.400 --> 06:38.400 It is one of the most common questions that we have. 06:38.400 --> 06:43.400 I am sure that people who are the Media boost today are that question like 20 times already each. 06:43.400 --> 06:46.400 So when you search in Firefox and you use one of the search engines, 06:46.400 --> 06:52.400 quote, Ecosia, Google and so on, we get some share of that money that they are making. 06:52.400 --> 06:57.400 And we are also starting to introduce some ads also inside our product, 06:57.400 --> 07:01.400 because that's sponsored tile and we are also ads on MDN. 07:01.400 --> 07:05.400 Nobody likes ad, but it is a way to farm most of the website. 07:05.400 --> 07:07.400 And we are no different. 07:07.400 --> 07:09.400 It is one of the best way to farm the web. 07:09.400 --> 07:13.400 It is a way that we almost every website now is making money. 07:13.400 --> 07:20.400 But we are also doing some subscription models like VPN, really, and forget for the much farmers. 07:20.400 --> 07:26.400 However, the folks from Thunderbird are decided to go with a different kind of funding. 07:26.400 --> 07:29.400 So they are relying on the nation. 07:29.400 --> 07:32.400 They are thinking about what's next, but it works well for them. 07:32.400 --> 07:38.400 They have been able to hire a lot of people to work on Thunderbird 6 to that. 07:38.400 --> 07:39.400 So what about Firefox? 07:39.400 --> 07:46.400 So I'm biased. I've been working on Firefox for like 11 years, so I'm going to talk about what I know best. 07:46.400 --> 07:49.400 So as you can see someone with Firefox, what do we do? 07:49.400 --> 07:51.400 I disagree with that statement. 07:51.400 --> 07:56.400 We are almost all the time as fast as Chrome on desktop, 07:56.400 --> 07:58.400 when we look at the speedometer benchmark. 07:58.400 --> 08:01.400 We are doing amazing work in time of web compact. 08:01.400 --> 08:04.400 It's 99% the same as Chrome. 08:04.400 --> 08:08.400 If you look at the dashboard, it's a dashboard that we collaborate with. 08:08.400 --> 08:10.400 Our competitor to make it better. 08:10.400 --> 08:15.400 We have a lot of functional privacy protection to protect our users. 08:15.400 --> 08:19.400 And one of the key features that we have on Android is that we have web extension. 08:19.400 --> 08:22.400 Everybody understand what it means, web extension on the phone. 08:22.400 --> 08:26.400 If you have been using the phone, you see this full of apps on website. 08:26.400 --> 08:31.400 And the web extension on Firefox for Android is amazing. 08:32.400 --> 08:36.400 We have a lot of contributor and a lot of commits. 08:36.400 --> 08:38.400 I'm not going to go into the details. 08:38.400 --> 08:40.400 We did some kind of presentation. 08:40.400 --> 08:42.400 She also go if you want the details. 08:42.400 --> 08:44.400 So you also that meme. 08:44.400 --> 08:52.400 Firefox is one of the most complex piece of software that we create on the planet. 08:52.400 --> 08:58.400 I said earlier that I'm contributing to Linux distribution and compiler and rest. 08:58.400 --> 09:01.400 And those three things are easy compared to a browser in my opinion. 09:01.400 --> 09:06.400 If you think about it, a web browser is like an operating system where you do everything. 09:06.400 --> 09:11.400 So you have also to remember that we run untrusted code every day. 09:11.400 --> 09:16.400 And we keep the user safe so we run JavaScript, HTML, CSS, web assembly. 09:16.400 --> 09:19.400 And you have to do that very fast, very quick. 09:19.400 --> 09:26.400 And without any security issue, I need to be able to manage the crappy website that people have been writing for 20 years. 09:27.400 --> 09:31.400 We are also the only major engine left. 09:31.400 --> 09:34.400 I'm saying major because we know I'm aware of server and ladybird. 09:34.400 --> 09:39.400 But I'm waiting for them to have a lot of users that they can turn in that game with Firefox. 09:39.400 --> 09:41.400 We have a lot of million of users. 09:41.400 --> 09:49.400 And when you think about it, our competitors, they are part of the 10 of the S&P 500 in the US. 09:49.400 --> 09:54.400 We have also some things that we don't communicate a lot. 09:54.400 --> 09:57.400 But we have a huge impact on the web standard. 09:57.400 --> 10:01.400 So we work a lot with our competitor to improve the state of the web. 10:01.400 --> 10:07.400 And one of the things that we cannot communicate on is when we block some initiative from our competitors, 10:07.400 --> 10:12.400 because it can be used for finger printing or the kind of things. 10:12.400 --> 10:17.400 Firefox. Everybody is saying that Firefox is dying, but it's not true. 10:17.400 --> 10:22.400 We have been growing on Linux desktop on Android and iOS, we get more and more users every day. 10:22.400 --> 10:24.400 I love watching especially. 10:24.400 --> 10:26.400 We understood that I'm a gig and Linux users. 10:26.400 --> 10:29.400 Every time I look at the Linux dashboard and it's going up. 10:29.400 --> 10:30.400 So I like it. 10:30.400 --> 10:35.400 And we have a very different perception and usage depending on the country. 10:35.400 --> 10:39.400 So in France and Germany in particular, everybody knows about the Firefox logo. 10:39.400 --> 10:41.400 And we still have a lot of users. 10:41.400 --> 10:44.400 Ten of millions of users to countries. 10:44.400 --> 10:50.400 And one of the things that you have to keep in mind is that you don't control the word map when you are a web browser. 10:50.400 --> 10:57.400 You have almost 100 people that are just going to be there to implement what is happening in the standard body. 10:57.400 --> 10:59.400 So it's a network. 10:59.400 --> 11:01.400 And then you have all the ecosystem that it is moving. 11:01.400 --> 11:03.400 So new version of Windows, Mac, Linux. 11:03.400 --> 11:08.400 You have the changes in libraries or GTK2 to GTK3 and then GTK4. 11:08.400 --> 11:10.400 You have the hardware which is evolving. 11:10.400 --> 11:13.400 So when you have a company with an app or a logo, 11:13.400 --> 11:17.400 shipping moving from Intel to ARM, you have to follow that. 11:17.400 --> 11:20.400 And then you have all the attacker who are trying to liken to your software. 11:20.400 --> 11:23.400 And so you have to adjust and you have to put some more security. 11:23.400 --> 11:27.400 So it's super expensive and complex to maintain a browser. 11:27.400 --> 11:29.400 But we took bunch of Firefox. 11:29.400 --> 11:34.400 Keep in mind that we did a lot of things in the web and we contributed a lot. 11:34.400 --> 11:36.400 So let's increase by the assembly. 11:36.400 --> 11:37.400 You have the list. 11:37.400 --> 11:38.400 I will share this later. 11:38.400 --> 11:41.400 But we have been contributing a lot to the ecosystem. 11:41.400 --> 11:45.400 Yesterday I did some product placement for the fire first profile. 11:45.400 --> 11:49.400 And simply, which are also coming from Maria, which are amazing tools. 11:49.400 --> 11:53.400 We are also doing a translation with AI very differently. 11:53.400 --> 11:57.400 So when you do translation in Firefox, we are not sending the content of the pages 11:57.400 --> 11:59.400 to the web site to another website. 11:59.400 --> 12:00.400 We are doing it locally. 12:00.400 --> 12:05.400 We do not know the model and we do everything locally to preserve your privacy. 12:05.400 --> 12:06.400 And that's but the list. 12:06.400 --> 12:09.400 If you stay in that room, you are going to hear about where the extension 12:09.400 --> 12:12.400 and elements are brought by type. 12:13.400 --> 12:16.400 For the matter of time, to keep time for question, I will move quickly. 12:16.400 --> 12:18.400 So telemetry. 12:18.400 --> 12:22.400 A lot of people complain about telemetry in the open source world. 12:22.400 --> 12:25.400 But it's a big deal and it's key for us to do a great work. 12:25.400 --> 12:28.400 If we don't have telemetry, we don't know what to use. 12:28.400 --> 12:31.400 And therefore we don't know what we should work on. 12:31.400 --> 12:33.400 So if we notice that the feature is very well used. 12:33.400 --> 12:35.400 We are going to invest more. 12:35.400 --> 12:38.400 If nobody uses a feature, what's a point, maybe we should remove it. 12:38.400 --> 12:41.400 And without telemetry, you are flying blind basically. 12:42.400 --> 12:46.400 And the opportunity, we have a lot of passionate users. 12:46.400 --> 12:51.400 It took me only five seconds to find those articles or those comments. 12:51.400 --> 12:55.400 We have a lot of passionate users who have been supporting us for a long time. 12:55.400 --> 13:00.400 And we realize there are other work that it is to develop a browser. 13:00.400 --> 13:04.400 We do also a lot of other cool stuff at Medziah. 13:04.400 --> 13:05.400 So send a bird. 13:05.400 --> 13:08.400 I have been a send a bird user since that's case. 13:08.400 --> 13:09.400 Basically, so I love it. 13:10.400 --> 13:13.400 At the end, it's probably the best platform if you do web development. 13:13.400 --> 13:17.400 We do a lot of other projects like VPN, monitor plus and relay. 13:17.400 --> 13:21.400 We are pushing into responsible advertising, which is quite hard to do. 13:21.400 --> 13:23.400 And we have a lot of AI project. 13:23.400 --> 13:25.400 I'm a huge supporter of AI. 13:25.400 --> 13:31.400 I think it's making us much faster and much better and simplifying our lives. 13:31.400 --> 13:34.400 I know that this opinion is not always shared. 13:34.400 --> 13:36.400 And you will have some of my colleagues. 13:36.400 --> 13:37.400 They're new. 13:37.400 --> 13:40.400 It's a great work that we have been doing in the space. 13:40.400 --> 13:41.400 And times up. 13:41.400 --> 13:42.400 Perfect. 13:50.400 --> 13:52.400 Unfortunately, time is not completely up. 13:52.400 --> 13:53.400 We have five minutes for questions. 13:53.400 --> 13:57.400 So if you want to ask whatever questions you have in your head, 13:57.400 --> 13:58.400 just raise your hand. 13:58.400 --> 13:59.400 I'll give you the mic. 13:59.400 --> 14:02.400 Again, I'm going to repeat things for people that were 14:03.400 --> 14:04.400 late in the room. 14:04.400 --> 14:06.400 Exit is downstairs. 14:06.400 --> 14:08.400 And we have stickers and everything out there. 14:08.400 --> 14:10.400 I'll bring the mic. 14:22.400 --> 14:23.400 Okay. 14:23.400 --> 14:24.400 Hi. 14:24.400 --> 14:25.400 Thank you for coming. 14:25.400 --> 14:26.400 Thank you for the nice presentation. 14:26.400 --> 14:29.400 I just have one question about one of your products. 14:29.400 --> 14:34.400 I've heard that Mozilla is exploring services as a source of income. 14:34.400 --> 14:36.400 Can you speak louder? 14:36.400 --> 14:38.400 Oh, okay. 14:38.400 --> 14:44.400 I saw that Mozilla is exploring services as a ways of income. 14:44.400 --> 14:46.400 And I saw VPN, right? 14:46.400 --> 14:50.400 So it's like a competitor to serve shark and these kinds of VPNs. 14:50.400 --> 14:56.400 It's a VPN client like most of the ones that you will find on the market. 14:56.400 --> 14:57.400 It's fully open. 14:57.400 --> 14:59.400 So you can access to the source code of the client. 14:59.400 --> 15:01.400 But does it have a subscription? 15:01.400 --> 15:02.400 Yeah, you have a subscription. 15:02.400 --> 15:03.400 Yeah. 15:03.400 --> 15:04.400 Oh, okay. 15:04.400 --> 15:05.400 Nice. 15:05.400 --> 15:06.400 Thanks. 15:08.400 --> 15:10.400 More questions? 15:15.400 --> 15:21.400 You briefly mentioned it, but how is Mozilla doing really? 15:21.400 --> 15:24.400 Is it dying? 15:25.400 --> 15:26.400 Yeah. 15:26.400 --> 15:34.400 You mentioned it, but I've been worried about Mozilla and for your folks for four years now. 15:34.400 --> 15:36.400 You're still around, apparently. 15:36.400 --> 15:37.400 But yeah. 15:37.400 --> 15:39.400 It's a fact question. 15:39.400 --> 15:44.400 To be honest, I have been getting that question for 11 years since I joined. 15:44.400 --> 15:45.400 Yeah, we are doing well. 15:45.400 --> 15:48.400 We are one of the things is that you can look at our finance. 15:48.400 --> 15:49.400 We are very transparent. 15:49.400 --> 15:53.400 So you can see all the details about how we spend our money and so on. 15:53.400 --> 15:55.400 We are growing on some platform. 15:55.400 --> 16:02.400 It's harder to compete on Windows and Mac because, you know, our competitors, they 16:02.400 --> 16:06.400 control the full stack and they have a slight tendency to promote their product instead of 16:06.400 --> 16:07.400 the competitors. 16:07.400 --> 16:10.400 But I know we are doing well. 16:10.400 --> 16:14.400 The reason please are to change on Fenderbird funding. 16:14.400 --> 16:16.400 Why not operating something similar? 16:16.400 --> 16:17.400 Can you speak louder? 16:17.400 --> 16:19.400 I'm starting to be also. 16:19.400 --> 16:23.400 There is a new way to fund Fenderbird. 16:23.400 --> 16:26.400 Why not embracing the same thing for Mozilla? 16:26.400 --> 16:32.400 If we want to unite, for example, the money will be aggregated and then reshared. 16:32.400 --> 16:36.400 And we cannot decide what our money is going to fund. 16:36.400 --> 16:40.400 Why can't we decide it's like Fenderbird? 16:40.400 --> 16:45.400 So if I understood correctly your question, you are thinking if I are focusing on the donation base. 16:45.400 --> 16:46.400 Right? 16:46.400 --> 16:49.400 Well, I think it's great like Fenderbird is doing. 16:49.400 --> 16:51.400 Why not doing the same? 16:51.400 --> 16:56.400 Because when I saw what the money is going to be spent off, it's going to be spent 16:56.400 --> 17:00.400 for all the advertising or other products such as AI and stuff. 17:00.400 --> 17:06.400 Why can't I decide to contribute to the browser itself and just for this? 17:06.400 --> 17:09.400 So we are not in donation. 17:09.400 --> 17:13.400 We don't get an as money and we have a unique business model with a self-like. 17:13.400 --> 17:19.400 If you look at first them who is attending, there is no such company that is making that money with free 17:19.400 --> 17:21.400 and open source software. 17:21.400 --> 17:26.400 So we decide to spend our money on marketing because we think it makes sense for the product to be known. 17:26.400 --> 17:28.400 And we see the value. 17:28.400 --> 17:33.400 So when we spend money on marketing, I know that for us as a geek, as a geek community, it's not, it's feels weird. 17:33.400 --> 17:37.400 But we really see an update when we spend some money in some places for a campaign. 17:37.400 --> 17:42.400 So marketing for the kind of software when you have a lot of competition is really necessary. 17:42.400 --> 17:45.400 And then you can be involved in the community. 17:45.400 --> 17:50.400 There are things that are going to be hard to influence on, but you can be involved when you can have your word to say 17:50.400 --> 17:54.400 if you want to ship some feature in Firefox or if you want to be involved. 17:54.400 --> 17:57.400 Did I answer to the question? You don't feel convinced. 17:57.400 --> 18:01.400 We can discuss after a while that it's a long subject. 18:01.400 --> 18:02.400 Hello. 18:02.400 --> 18:03.400 Can you hear me? 18:03.400 --> 18:04.400 Yeah. 18:06.400 --> 18:09.400 I've been using Firefox for years already. 18:09.400 --> 18:15.400 I like Firefox. One browser allows me to not see a single ad, which for me's great. 18:15.400 --> 18:19.400 And I don't want to get conspiratorial, but I've read this online. 18:19.400 --> 18:23.400 And I'm just curious of how it affects the foundation, right? 18:23.400 --> 18:26.400 Because you guys receive a lot of donations that you imagine there. 18:26.400 --> 18:32.400 And there's like, you know, poster on that say, like, most of the funding for most of your consumer companies like Google, 18:32.400 --> 18:35.400 or the 90% of the funding concern Google. 18:35.400 --> 18:43.400 So I'm wondering, like, what is the actual real number and be, like, does it create a conflict of interest in the development of most of your browser? 18:43.400 --> 18:46.400 It's a good question. It's a question that I get for a new regional list. 18:46.400 --> 18:50.400 It's a bit less than 90. I think it's closer to 80. 18:50.400 --> 18:55.400 As far as I know, I'm not part of the negotiating team between Google and Modia, 18:55.400 --> 19:03.400 but in the technical discussion and the roadmap, I've never seen any influence from our partners like Google or Quentin. 19:03.400 --> 19:10.400 So, and I think also the collaboration I like to highlight is that our competition with our competitors is usually very healthy. 19:10.400 --> 19:15.400 We work together. We have mainly these with our competitors. We're sometimes we answer, 19:15.400 --> 19:19.400 we feel some very, we sense them some security issues. 19:19.400 --> 19:23.400 We, we simply told Microsoft that they are the zero day in the occurred base. 19:23.400 --> 19:26.400 So we collaborate a lot on the technical level. 19:26.400 --> 19:32.400 And some of my colleagues make this a great, but I never seen any influence from them on our roadmap and decision. 19:32.400 --> 19:33.400 Yeah. 19:33.400 --> 19:35.400 But there's a good question. 19:35.400 --> 19:36.400 Can you share numbers? 19:36.400 --> 19:38.400 What kind of numbers? 19:38.400 --> 19:41.400 How much money you spend on marketing, for instance? 19:41.400 --> 19:43.400 If you know from top of the rules, I know you don't know. 19:43.400 --> 19:44.400 But I'm asking you. 19:44.400 --> 19:47.400 You have that in the very thought from the foundation. 19:47.400 --> 19:48.400 Yeah. Thank you. 19:48.400 --> 19:50.400 You can ask questions because we're running out of time. 19:50.400 --> 19:51.400 Thank you. 19:51.400 --> 19:55.400 What is the biggest threat you see for a particular? 19:55.400 --> 19:58.400 Easy question from a friend. 19:58.400 --> 20:00.400 Yes. 20:01.400 --> 20:04.400 What is the biggest threat for fire folks? 20:04.400 --> 20:07.400 At least is the fact that our competitors, they control the platform. 20:07.400 --> 20:13.400 So you are aware that if you use an iOS device, it's harder for us to push our technology on iOS 20:13.400 --> 20:16.400 because of the constraints that we get on the platform. 20:16.400 --> 20:20.400 So it's how do you promote your project when your competitor are shipping by default. 20:20.400 --> 20:21.400 There's software. 20:21.400 --> 20:22.400 And it has been a struggle. 20:22.400 --> 20:23.400 Well, not a struggle. 20:23.400 --> 20:25.400 But our focus for years. 20:25.400 --> 20:26.400 Thank you very much. 20:26.400 --> 20:29.400 And the things around Stephen is a very good speaker. 20:29.400 --> 20:30.400 We'll have fun. 20:30.400 --> 20:31.400 No pressure. 20:31.400 --> 20:32.400 No pressure. 20:32.400 --> 20:36.400 Again, if you want to leave the room, please do so downstairs. 20:36.400 --> 20:40.400 There's like stickers you can take all over the tables that we have. 20:40.400 --> 20:43.400 And our next speaker is Stephen Hood. 20:44.400 --> 20:45.400 I'm not lying. 20:45.400 --> 20:46.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:46.400 --> 20:47.400 It's a gentleman. 20:47.400 --> 20:48.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:48.400 --> 20:49.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:49.400 --> 20:50.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:50.400 --> 20:51.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:51.400 --> 20:52.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:52.400 --> 20:53.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:53.400 --> 20:54.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:54.400 --> 20:55.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:55.400 --> 20:56.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:56.400 --> 20:57.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:57.400 --> 20:58.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:58.400 --> 20:59.400 I'm not saying that to you. 20:59.400 --> 21:00.400 I'm not saying that to you. 21:00.400 --> 21:01.400 I'm not saying that to you. 21:01.400 --> 21:02.400 I'm not saying that to you. 21:02.400 --> 21:03.400 I'm not saying that to you. 21:03.400 --> 21:04.400 I'm not saying that to you. 21:04.400 --> 21:05.400 I'm not saying that to you. 21:05.400 --> 21:06.400 I'm not saying that to you. 21:06.400 --> 21:16.400 I'm not saying that to you. 21:16.400 --> 21:18.400 You don't shamanah team. 21:18.400 --> 21:19.400 Guys come on station. 21:19.400 --> 21:20.400 They can't go out. 21:20.400 --> 21:21.400 Oh, sir. 21:21.400 --> 21:25.400 I don't care if you don't find a match. 21:25.400 --> 21:26.400 I do. 21:26.400 --> 21:27.400 I do. 21:27.400 --> 21:28.400 I do.