WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.840 Okay, Matthias and I will tell a great story about inspiring kids. 00:09.840 --> 00:16.200 When I think of my childhood, I had two grandfathers that had a shed with a workbench. 00:16.200 --> 00:22.600 I had a father that told me about hardware and electronics, had a mother that told me crafts 00:22.600 --> 00:27.880 and sewing, and I think that has changed my will for you on technology. 00:28.480 --> 00:33.680 And if you look at today, you have magical devices, but hardly any interfaces. 00:33.680 --> 00:39.280 You can't even open up that are glued together with software that's all polished up. 00:39.280 --> 00:45.680 So it's even harder to get started with anything chinkering hacking. 00:45.680 --> 00:50.480 So I think it's up on us to make the effort to break through that barrier and inspire 00:50.480 --> 00:52.480 kids for today. 00:52.480 --> 00:59.080 And with the free software foundation Europe, I think it's very good that we have a goal for 2048, 00:59.080 --> 01:06.280 which is ambitious to actually get kids to go on this topic. 01:06.280 --> 01:08.080 Now the question is, how do you do that? 01:08.080 --> 01:15.680 Well, we have something very concrete, a very concrete project, which you also can contribute. 01:15.880 --> 01:26.680 Yeah. So in 2017, I was thinking about what can I do to tell my children, 01:26.680 --> 01:33.880 or that they feel why it's so cool to tinker and experiment with technology and to program. 01:33.880 --> 01:40.880 And why it was so cool for me to enter the free software community and share knowledge with others, 01:41.080 --> 01:49.480 learn from others, how can I explain them this whole area of where I'm involved in? 01:49.480 --> 01:57.280 And so I did what I was used to do at the times I wrote an email to mailing this 01:57.280 --> 02:02.880 and asked if there are any resources out there, how I can teach my children, what is free software, 02:02.880 --> 02:07.280 what is software, what is hardware, I don't expect it or something, what is free software. 02:07.280 --> 02:15.680 But yeah, how to introduce them to this and how to get the spark, some interest to tinker with technology. 02:15.680 --> 02:20.680 And yeah, there was not that much that came back there. 02:20.680 --> 02:27.480 And so what I did then was I invented some bedtime stories. 02:27.480 --> 02:33.080 So in the evening, before they had invented bed, I thought about what happened during the day, 02:33.480 --> 02:40.480 or during the week and invented some stories with things devices they saw with things that happened during the days. 02:40.480 --> 02:45.080 And it's always something about computer software, something. 02:45.080 --> 02:51.480 And the good thing with children is that they are very good Q&A. 02:51.480 --> 02:53.480 So they give you very good feedback. 02:53.480 --> 02:59.480 They are not, they tell you that's boring, I want to have more of this. 02:59.880 --> 03:01.880 Why don't you include that anymore? 03:01.880 --> 03:06.880 And so over the time they developed the story. 03:06.880 --> 03:15.480 And then there was a time when I met one of the FSF installers and we talked about different projects for the future. 03:15.480 --> 03:22.880 And many different things came up there also for example, you're taking for freedom, our coding competition for teenagers. 03:22.880 --> 03:27.480 And at the end he asked like anything else, you plan to do in the future. 03:27.480 --> 03:33.680 And I said like, yeah, maybe I might write a children's book about free software. 03:33.680 --> 03:39.680 And he said like, if you do this, I will buy 1000 copies and we will give that to our customers. 03:39.680 --> 03:46.080 And then I said, okay, I need to start. 03:46.080 --> 03:51.280 So until now all the stuff was in my head of what I did then was I wrote down the story. 03:51.680 --> 03:55.880 Pencil paper and started to write that down. 03:55.880 --> 04:01.880 And then I also got a agreement from the Free Software Foundation Europe that I could get a children's book editor. 04:01.880 --> 04:09.880 And send it to her and see about the feedback is something just my children like or is that something with potential. 04:09.880 --> 04:12.280 And the feedback there was quite positive. 04:12.280 --> 04:20.680 So I got that back and then he said, okay, let's find a publisher for this and really do it as a book. 04:20.680 --> 04:26.280 And yeah, so in this process, I already included a lot of other people. 04:26.280 --> 04:30.880 So I send it to people at the FSF, I send it to people in the Free Software community. 04:30.880 --> 04:35.280 They were eagerly testing the script with their children. 04:35.280 --> 04:41.080 This one here is from a daughter of someone from Apache Foundation who could not wait for the illustrations. 04:41.080 --> 04:44.680 And then she painted the illustrations herself, the editor. 04:44.680 --> 04:49.080 And we included others to in many different aspects of this book. 04:49.080 --> 04:53.080 It's wouldn't have been possible without so many help by others. 04:53.080 --> 04:58.280 Yeah, and then it developed into a book. 04:58.280 --> 05:04.080 And this one was the result, there were some hurdles before. 05:04.080 --> 05:09.480 So we decided very early on, we want to do it as under Creative Commons license. 05:09.480 --> 05:13.680 And not any Creative Commons license, but Creative Commons, by share like. 05:13.680 --> 05:15.880 So not with the ANC edition. 05:15.880 --> 05:20.680 And people in the publishing who know the publishing world said, that's not possible. 05:20.680 --> 05:24.680 You will never find publishers who do that in different languages. 05:24.680 --> 05:28.280 You will not be able to find illustrators who do that. 05:28.280 --> 05:34.680 And yeah, it took a long time to talk, I mean, the editors that was fine, 05:34.680 --> 05:38.480 but finding illustrators explain great common slices and it's very difficult. 05:38.480 --> 05:41.880 And then also with the publishers, also took a long way. 05:41.880 --> 05:43.880 But yeah, what happened? 05:43.880 --> 05:48.280 Until then, was actually I, before I went to any other publishers, 05:48.280 --> 05:52.080 I wrote an email to Orile in Germany and with the idea. 05:52.080 --> 05:55.280 And I got an email back after three hours, we would like to talk. 05:55.280 --> 05:58.480 And if I have something more, and I wrote them to scripted, 05:58.480 --> 06:00.280 I said, oh, this looks very good. 06:00.280 --> 06:03.480 So one day after that, another two days after the initial email, 06:03.480 --> 06:07.280 we already had a call and the day afterwards, the CEO of the company 06:07.280 --> 06:09.880 really said, like, we are going to publish this. 06:09.880 --> 06:11.680 So that was the start. 06:11.680 --> 06:12.880 Good start. 06:12.880 --> 06:15.680 There were some hurdles afterwards with the Creative Commons licensing. 06:15.680 --> 06:18.280 And so on, but that's how it started. 06:18.280 --> 06:22.080 And here are all the language versions where we have printed copies already. 06:22.080 --> 06:28.080 It's over 20,000 copies now that are in different languages out there. 06:28.080 --> 06:30.280 One great thing that already happened very early, 06:30.280 --> 06:33.280 because of Creative Commons licensing was here at Boston, 06:33.280 --> 06:37.080 someone from the French Ministry of Education saw the book, 06:37.080 --> 06:41.080 saw that it's available in a Creative Commons license. 06:41.080 --> 06:44.880 And I didn't hear from them for a while. 06:44.880 --> 06:47.280 And then they came back and said, oh, we now have a translation. 06:47.280 --> 06:52.080 We had a pro-check with four schools in France, with over a hundred pupils. 06:52.080 --> 06:56.280 And they did pro-check weeks about book and translated that in a collaborative manner 06:56.280 --> 06:57.480 between all of them. 06:57.480 --> 06:59.480 And yeah, now we have a translation. 06:59.480 --> 07:02.680 And they helped to find a publisher and in the end, 07:02.680 --> 07:08.680 even the Minister of Education in France, in a German French parliament hearing, 07:08.680 --> 07:12.680 show the book as a good example of French German collaboration. 07:12.680 --> 07:16.080 And yeah, so that was one thing that happened. 07:16.080 --> 07:21.680 Before that, we had someone and there were a lot of refugee children from the Ukraine coming to Europe. 07:21.680 --> 07:24.280 And someone said, let's have that also in Ukrainian. 07:24.280 --> 07:28.880 And we were able to pay someone to do a translation. 07:28.880 --> 07:32.480 And then also the lay out for the Ukrainian one and send a few thousand copies to, 07:32.480 --> 07:35.280 organizations working with refugee children. 07:35.280 --> 07:37.880 They told us, after a while, do you also have that in a rapid? 07:37.880 --> 07:40.880 We have a lot of refugees from Arabic speaking countries. 07:40.880 --> 07:48.080 We got another donation and then were able to actually also do that with 7,000 copies of Arabic. 07:48.080 --> 07:51.880 I got a call from the head of HR in Spain. 07:51.880 --> 07:54.480 From Volkswagen, distributed Spain. 07:54.480 --> 07:57.280 He said, they had nothing to do with free software. 07:57.280 --> 08:01.880 They said, we have a program to get more young women and girls involved in STEM. 08:01.880 --> 08:03.280 And we think your book is great. 08:03.280 --> 08:05.480 Is it also available in Spanish? 08:05.480 --> 08:07.080 Said, no. 08:07.080 --> 08:08.680 They tried first to find a publisher. 08:08.680 --> 08:10.480 The publisher said, like, oh, no. 08:10.480 --> 08:11.880 I want to have exclusivity. 08:11.880 --> 08:12.680 That's communism. 08:12.680 --> 08:14.080 If everyone can do whatever. 08:14.080 --> 08:17.080 It was like, oh, that's like the free software 20 years ago. 08:17.080 --> 08:18.880 But yeah, they did not stop. 08:18.880 --> 08:20.680 They continued, paid someone themselves. 08:20.680 --> 08:22.080 They did the translation. 08:22.080 --> 08:25.480 And actually, this person here on the right side, look up on this. 08:25.480 --> 08:26.880 Oh, he's here. 08:26.880 --> 08:28.480 A lot of people who continue to die here. 08:29.280 --> 08:32.880 Look, I helped them in this process. 08:32.880 --> 08:36.480 So look, I was also one of the first ones who did the volunteer translation. 08:36.480 --> 08:39.480 So he did the Italian translation of the book. 08:39.480 --> 08:42.880 And with that also pulled all the translations. 08:42.880 --> 08:45.280 We had at that time, which were text files. 08:45.280 --> 08:49.680 Into a Git repository structure that made it possible to build something. 08:49.680 --> 08:51.680 The outputs out of that. 08:51.680 --> 08:56.880 And yeah, and he helped them also the Spanish ones to print a larger model of books 08:56.880 --> 09:01.280 who then go with an electric bus with two female engineers, with three deep printers, 09:01.280 --> 09:07.480 two different places in Spain, read the book and afterwards do a pretty printing with the girls. 09:07.480 --> 09:10.480 And look, I helped with that and set up this repository. 09:10.480 --> 09:15.680 And did a lot of improvements there to make it easier to do all the transitioning from text 09:15.680 --> 09:20.480 to actually books, also did hand drawing of some of the illustrations. 09:20.480 --> 09:26.680 The illustrator was amazed what he did there as someone who's not professionally doing that. 09:27.080 --> 09:34.280 And yeah, but the problem was that Luca was over the time involved in lots of FFEs activities, 09:34.280 --> 09:39.880 including one activity where he also gave a first term talk three or two or three years ago 09:39.880 --> 09:45.080 about the Windows text refund, where he was suing Lenovo, because he didn't want to refund him 09:45.080 --> 09:47.080 the Windows license for his laptop. 09:47.080 --> 09:51.480 And in the end, Lenovo had to pay him 20,000 euros and fines. 09:51.480 --> 09:54.480 And he donated that to the FFEs and other free software organizations. 09:54.480 --> 09:57.280 And we wanted to set that up so others can also do that. 09:57.280 --> 10:01.880 So Luca was very, very busy at that time. 10:01.880 --> 10:05.280 And we thought, OK, he cannot set up the refund for freedom, 10:05.280 --> 10:08.480 campaign with others and be involved with our translator team. 10:08.480 --> 10:09.880 If he also has to do that. 10:09.880 --> 10:13.080 And that's when the others, super hero came in. 10:13.080 --> 10:15.280 Yeah, I might as well. 10:15.280 --> 10:17.680 But this. 10:17.680 --> 10:21.480 So I'm the coordinator for the FFEs in the Netherlands, 10:21.880 --> 10:28.280 and I was, like many others, inspired by this story. 10:28.280 --> 10:31.880 And one example that he really hit me was David Vfoy, 10:31.880 --> 10:34.880 maybe you know from the webcomic pepper and carrot, 10:34.880 --> 10:38.480 made this illustration that it's not just maybe a child, 10:38.480 --> 10:43.280 this kid's book, this is badass, right? 10:43.280 --> 10:44.680 This is inspiring. 10:44.680 --> 10:48.480 And so we brought the English and the German edition to the info booth 10:48.480 --> 10:50.280 that we were having in the Netherlands. 10:50.480 --> 10:52.880 And we noticed that the book, even though it was not in Dutch, 10:52.880 --> 10:55.080 we could talk over the illustrations. 10:55.080 --> 10:58.680 And it really helped us explain control of a technology 10:58.680 --> 11:00.880 and importance of it in a good way. 11:00.880 --> 11:06.280 For example, this illustration about it's sort of in one few highlights 11:06.280 --> 11:12.280 the power dispelence in the net of things. 11:12.280 --> 11:15.880 So people ask us, when will there be a Dutch book? 11:15.880 --> 11:17.680 But of course, you need to arrange something 11:17.680 --> 11:19.880 to get a translation done. 11:20.080 --> 11:23.480 We started translating, and in about two to three months, 11:23.480 --> 11:27.280 we had the base text done, some back and forth. 11:27.280 --> 11:32.480 And I, maybe now, easily assumed that look at this so much work, 11:32.480 --> 11:35.280 with the press of a button, I would have a PDF, 11:35.280 --> 11:38.080 I could send to the printer and get a book done. 11:38.080 --> 11:42.080 Well, it was not so simple. 11:42.080 --> 11:48.280 The automation at the time was that there was a custom text format 11:48.280 --> 11:52.880 which contained the actual text, but also some specific characters 11:52.880 --> 11:58.880 to signify which were like their chapter markers, 11:58.880 --> 12:03.080 different pages, to deal with the parsing and finally the rendering. 12:03.080 --> 12:05.080 And it could render to different outputs. 12:05.080 --> 12:07.880 So scribers, given this is a desktop publishing application, 12:07.880 --> 12:12.280 you can use to get a file that can be sent to a printer, 12:12.280 --> 12:14.280 that takes care of embedding the fonts, 12:14.280 --> 12:18.240 and all the coloring, all the specifics of it for that. 12:18.240 --> 12:20.240 Also, reading text, so if you do a book reading, 12:20.240 --> 12:23.640 you have the text and you know, went to put through the next slide, 12:23.640 --> 12:25.840 because we have slide-ext available for that, 12:25.840 --> 12:27.840 and the presentation with the notes in there. 12:27.840 --> 12:30.640 And look, it was already working on the book, 12:30.640 --> 12:35.640 but seeing that it was also doing the parsing of this text format, 12:35.640 --> 12:38.640 and inviting to the different output formats in one go, 12:38.640 --> 12:42.640 which is good to start, but if you want to add more and more formats, 12:42.640 --> 12:45.040 the code of course becomes much more complex, 12:45.040 --> 12:48.040 because there's no separation between the two. 12:48.440 --> 12:51.840 And to make it specific, here you see some parts of the book. 12:51.840 --> 12:55.840 And on the left, you see the subtitle, the laptop, 12:55.840 --> 12:59.240 that is hand-drawn, meaning that if I wanted to do that for Dutch, 12:59.240 --> 13:04.040 I had to get a drawing tablet and actually hand-letter that. 13:04.040 --> 13:09.040 I mean, I can do a bit of drawing, but I didn't have a tablet at the time. 13:09.040 --> 13:13.040 So I wanted to use fonts to make it easier. 13:13.040 --> 13:16.840 There was also an illustration with a protest page in that, 13:16.840 --> 13:19.640 that also has to be hand-drawn. 13:19.640 --> 13:25.240 Each chapter starts with a drop cap, this initial at the first paragraph. 13:25.240 --> 13:28.840 Somehow, you also have to do that, and make sure that it's in the right color 13:28.840 --> 13:31.840 for the different page, depending on the text. 13:31.840 --> 13:34.840 There's some headings at the end of the book, 13:34.840 --> 13:41.240 and on the right-hand side, you see text flowing around the image. 13:41.240 --> 13:46.240 Of course, many graphical applications offer you to do that built in, 13:46.240 --> 13:49.640 but in this case, it will hardline breaks to do that, 13:49.640 --> 13:53.240 because it was not set up that way yet. 13:53.240 --> 13:55.040 So I wanted to make an improvement. 13:55.040 --> 13:58.040 Technically driven, I wanted to see how can I improve this, 13:58.040 --> 14:01.040 to not just make my life easier as a Dutch translator, 14:01.040 --> 14:05.440 but to solve it for everybody else that would come after me. 14:05.440 --> 14:09.840 So I wanted to separate the automation, 14:09.840 --> 14:16.040 and actually make sure that we could support more output formats, 14:16.040 --> 14:18.640 and from Norway, Petter Reynoldson, 14:18.640 --> 14:24.840 was using web-lay to do the translation for Norwegian bookmail. 14:24.840 --> 14:27.040 And he was so fond of that, he said, 14:27.040 --> 14:30.440 we should have the other ensemble book on web-layed, 14:30.440 --> 14:35.240 but the custom format was really difficult to actually publish the web-layed directly, 14:35.240 --> 14:39.240 because it was not a standard format. 14:39.240 --> 14:40.640 So how do we do that? 14:40.640 --> 14:44.840 We split up the parsing, we use a more standard source format, 14:44.840 --> 14:49.440 we start using fonts, and get it to web-layed. 14:49.440 --> 14:51.440 And looking for a standard, of course, 14:51.440 --> 14:54.240 I didn't want to extend the text format even more 14:54.240 --> 14:56.240 and start building our own standard. 14:56.240 --> 14:59.640 I thought, what should be there as an existing standard? 14:59.640 --> 15:03.040 And my first idea came to mind was Markdown. 15:03.040 --> 15:07.040 But Markdown doesn't cope anything with the drop gaps, 15:07.040 --> 15:10.440 and the color of it. 15:10.440 --> 15:12.840 Maybe if you do a Pendock Markdown, 15:12.840 --> 15:15.840 you have some specific details you can encode. 15:15.840 --> 15:19.240 But that also means that everybody that wants to create a new format 15:19.240 --> 15:21.240 would have to parse this specific markdown, 15:21.240 --> 15:24.240 making it quite hard to maybe get started, 15:24.240 --> 15:27.440 because it's not really a nice data structure. 15:27.440 --> 15:30.040 I thought about askydog, because you have a macro syntax there, 15:30.040 --> 15:31.440 and I have a history where to program, 15:31.440 --> 15:34.040 but then you're still running to similar issues, 15:34.040 --> 15:36.440 or with restructure text. 15:36.440 --> 15:39.240 So then I came across dogbook. 15:39.240 --> 15:41.240 Does anybody know dogbook? 15:41.440 --> 15:42.840 Okay, a couple of hands. 15:42.840 --> 15:44.640 Yeah, dogbook is XML. 15:44.640 --> 15:46.440 So I know what you're all thinking. 15:46.440 --> 15:49.240 Oh no, why would you choose XML? 15:49.240 --> 15:53.240 We don't do any XML anymore, but let me explain, 15:53.240 --> 15:55.240 because it really makes sense. 15:55.240 --> 15:58.540 Dogbook is built for books, meaning it knows about a color form. 15:58.540 --> 16:00.740 It knows about illustrations, not about all texts. 16:00.740 --> 16:02.640 You can add metadata to it. 16:02.640 --> 16:06.840 It's a standard, so it's supported by a variety of tools already. 16:06.840 --> 16:09.440 And because it is XML, it's a data structure, 16:09.440 --> 16:11.140 meaning everybody don't want to write their own 16:11.140 --> 16:12.540 format and automation for it. 16:12.540 --> 16:16.540 It can actually parse the structure, maybe even validate the field. 16:16.540 --> 16:19.540 And in XML, there's already known extensions. 16:19.540 --> 16:24.840 So it's the ITS standard to encode information about the translation. 16:24.840 --> 16:28.740 So if you have translations, you have translator comments 16:28.740 --> 16:34.140 that convey to the translator how this you translate the text, 16:34.140 --> 16:38.140 I could embed that in the same dogbook format. 16:38.140 --> 16:40.740 Also XML ideas to make specific references 16:40.740 --> 16:42.340 in the file. 16:42.340 --> 16:45.340 And I could create a separate namespace for everything 16:45.340 --> 16:47.940 that was specific with elements and attributes 16:47.940 --> 16:50.940 for the other ensemble book. 16:50.940 --> 16:55.540 And this was four months extending to a year of work 16:55.540 --> 16:57.540 to get this off the ground. 16:57.540 --> 17:02.340 But finally, we now have this dogbook set up as the standard, 17:02.340 --> 17:04.740 meaning because we already excuse an existing format 17:04.740 --> 17:07.940 with existing tools, it was very easy to get Markdown output, 17:07.940 --> 17:12.140 to get HTML output, to get a basic e-pop published. 17:12.140 --> 17:16.940 And there's now also a fallback to the previous custom TXT format, 17:16.940 --> 17:19.940 so that we also have the other formats available when 17:19.940 --> 17:21.540 you did. 17:21.540 --> 17:26.240 And now we work the script set up to make sure they're used fonts. 17:26.240 --> 17:29.140 And actually we're already working on additional formats, 17:29.140 --> 17:36.340 meaning e-pop also a braille, and even subtitles for the movie. 17:36.340 --> 17:38.540 So you translate once and you get all the formats, 17:38.540 --> 17:43.140 or if you contribute a format, you would have all the translations. 17:43.140 --> 17:46.340 And this script is filling is something that I was looking 17:46.340 --> 17:48.740 around to find something, but I didn't find it, 17:48.740 --> 17:51.540 so I built it myself. 17:51.540 --> 17:56.740 And the way I did it is that in the script, it's a template, 17:56.740 --> 18:01.340 and there's an attribute that refers to a specific XML idea 18:01.340 --> 18:02.940 in the document. 18:02.940 --> 18:05.740 And it knows whether to fill a text field or an image field, 18:05.740 --> 18:09.540 and based on that, gets the whole from the whole section 18:09.540 --> 18:12.940 all the paragraphs, and it can deal with specific condition, 18:12.940 --> 18:15.340 whether or not there's a drop cap involved. 18:15.340 --> 18:18.740 And if it's an image, it can actually get just image 18:18.740 --> 18:21.740 you're well from the double file. 18:21.740 --> 18:26.140 Because most of the parsing is built around taking a talkbook text, 18:26.140 --> 18:30.140 and then append more pages to the book. 18:30.140 --> 18:36.140 But if you append more pages to the book, 18:36.140 --> 18:38.140 in this case, the book is a fixed format, 18:38.140 --> 18:39.140 it has a fixed layout. 18:39.140 --> 18:42.540 So actually, we have to fill the specific template, 18:42.540 --> 18:46.540 and that is what I reworked. 18:46.540 --> 18:50.140 In this case, I implemented an ExcelT transformations, 18:50.140 --> 18:55.540 which were really well with XML, as the script as file is also XML, 18:55.540 --> 18:58.340 but maybe for compatibility towards the future, 18:58.340 --> 19:02.340 if the script is format develops, it would be good to use the Python API. 19:02.340 --> 19:05.740 But it's an idea for the future. 19:05.740 --> 19:11.340 And what was really pushing me forward was the fact that the Danish team 19:11.340 --> 19:13.940 with Carson and Ovent were trying to get the book out. 19:13.940 --> 19:15.940 They also made a translation, and it's like, 19:15.940 --> 19:17.940 we want to get this translation published. 19:17.940 --> 19:22.140 Can you please send us a preview PDF and then we can prove read? 19:22.140 --> 19:27.140 And by the way, you see the result of them setting up their own publisher 19:27.140 --> 19:29.340 to actually get the book in Danish. 19:29.340 --> 19:32.740 So this is like in the living room, a lot of books. 19:32.740 --> 19:38.540 And here, they were showing the movie in our house at the premiere. 19:38.540 --> 19:42.940 It's the one in Copenhagen, but oh. 19:42.940 --> 19:45.340 Something specific about how I set up the translation. 19:45.340 --> 19:49.540 I was already talking about ITS as a format that is standard. 19:49.540 --> 19:53.540 Because I was using the standard, there was already an existing tool, ITS tool. 19:53.540 --> 19:57.340 So I could feed this document, dogbook format, to ITS tool. 19:57.340 --> 20:00.740 It extracts the translations into get text. 20:00.740 --> 20:03.140 Like the command translation format. 20:03.140 --> 20:05.140 That could be uploaded to web late. 20:05.140 --> 20:06.940 People could contribute to web late right away. 20:06.940 --> 20:11.140 So once I had dogbook in place, web late was easy. 20:11.140 --> 20:15.140 Now, some people prefer not to use web late, and they use just the get text file. 20:15.140 --> 20:18.540 There's also a find there in the repository. 20:18.540 --> 20:22.340 And yeah, just using standard tools really help. 20:22.340 --> 20:25.940 Now, as Petra from Norway was really pushing for it, 20:25.940 --> 20:28.540 he now also has the Norwegian book out. 20:28.540 --> 20:31.940 And what I think is very neat is that he worked the way of print on the map, 20:31.940 --> 20:33.740 which is currently available. 20:33.740 --> 20:37.140 The book is already available on ludo.com. 20:37.140 --> 20:40.140 And with print on the map, you could do a global distribution, 20:40.140 --> 20:42.940 meaning that if we tie this up the right way, 20:42.940 --> 20:48.340 everybody that submits the translation, maybe can have the book on order globally. 20:48.340 --> 20:49.340 By now, right? 20:49.340 --> 20:51.540 That's chain everything together. 20:51.740 --> 20:53.540 Now, something about the impact of web late, 20:53.540 --> 20:55.540 because Petra was really pushing for web late, 20:55.540 --> 20:57.740 and oh, did it pay off. 20:57.740 --> 21:01.940 On the left, you see, last year when we had the initial translations, 21:01.940 --> 21:06.340 I bit later added some other existing translation. 21:06.340 --> 21:07.740 But the fact that it was on web late, 21:07.740 --> 21:09.340 and it was easy to contribute. 21:09.340 --> 21:10.740 And it was discoverable. 21:10.740 --> 21:14.140 And people that were normally maybe translated software, 21:14.140 --> 21:18.140 just happened to come across this project and started translating, 21:18.140 --> 21:21.140 really made the amount of languages larger, 21:21.140 --> 21:24.340 but also to make it more complete. 21:24.340 --> 21:26.140 So there's all text, for example. 21:26.140 --> 21:29.140 And some of the books, they were just translated for print. 21:29.140 --> 21:31.340 But the old text was not considered. 21:31.340 --> 21:36.140 Or the headings were not considered, which you need for ebook. 21:36.140 --> 21:40.540 And there was this story with the translations. 21:40.540 --> 21:43.740 That once it was on web late, people would find the project. 21:43.740 --> 21:48.940 And one morning, I had 32 emails in my inbox. 21:48.940 --> 21:50.940 And it was a start of the Persian translation, 21:50.940 --> 21:52.740 and then all different people contributing. 21:52.740 --> 21:53.940 And I was suspicious. 21:53.940 --> 21:56.740 I was suspicious, like, how does it get started? 21:56.740 --> 21:59.140 And so many emails. 21:59.140 --> 22:02.540 So I started validating the translation with Libertranslate. 22:02.540 --> 22:04.940 And then it turned out it was actually a valid translation. 22:04.940 --> 22:09.140 So I asked them, email the persons from the death contributed. 22:09.140 --> 22:10.140 There has to be a story. 22:10.140 --> 22:11.940 So what did happen? 22:11.940 --> 22:15.340 But turns out they were organizing an event 22:15.340 --> 22:18.340 to come together and translate the book in one go. 22:18.340 --> 22:21.740 So this team in Iran really made a good impact. 22:21.740 --> 22:25.740 And in a couple of hours, I think, translated the whole book. 22:25.740 --> 22:28.140 And we're looking to publish this. 22:28.140 --> 22:31.540 And it's so inspiring of a story. 22:31.540 --> 22:34.940 Now, with translation and localization, 22:34.940 --> 22:40.340 you run into all particular issues that I want to address over time. 22:40.540 --> 22:42.740 For example, you have right to left languages. 22:42.740 --> 22:44.940 And when you come across right to left, 22:44.940 --> 22:49.140 actually, the support and script is not so great yet. 22:49.140 --> 22:53.140 Also, I have the template in left to right. 22:53.140 --> 22:56.940 So ideally, I want to not have a duplicate of the template. 22:56.940 --> 22:59.940 So if I make changes, I have to duplicate the effort. 22:59.940 --> 23:03.140 Rather, I would like to have a script that converts it. 23:03.140 --> 23:09.540 Well, Iran from Israel was working on getting this script across. 23:09.540 --> 23:10.940 And he made this initial script. 23:10.940 --> 23:15.140 And we found each other in the chat of the previous team. 23:15.140 --> 23:19.740 But Ali, who was contributing there, hacking on this script. 23:19.740 --> 23:24.340 And we were telling everybody how awesome this event was 23:24.340 --> 23:26.540 to contribute online directly with maintainers. 23:26.540 --> 23:31.740 And it proved not just the translations, but also the software. 23:31.740 --> 23:35.340 And then there's something specific about the fonts. 23:35.340 --> 23:40.340 Because the amount of support of characters in fonts 23:40.340 --> 23:42.940 that look a bit hand drawn is quite limited. 23:42.940 --> 23:45.140 I think David Reefow, again, with peppering characters 23:45.140 --> 23:49.540 doing an amazing job in trying to build this font set. 23:49.540 --> 23:52.540 That has a wide support of different languages. 23:52.540 --> 23:56.540 And it seems for now the book we would have to switch fonts 23:56.540 --> 23:58.940 based on different languages. 23:58.940 --> 24:00.940 Also, something particular you already mentioned. 24:00.940 --> 24:05.940 The Ukrainian book for the refugees coming. 24:05.940 --> 24:09.940 The Sangamam had a logo and it's in many of the pictures. 24:09.940 --> 24:17.740 But of course, the Z would remind the Ukrainian context to the Russian aggressor. 24:17.740 --> 24:22.740 So all the illustrations were adapted to have a different symbol in the illustration. 24:22.740 --> 24:28.740 And there's also something that the automation would have to take care of. 24:28.740 --> 24:33.740 Also, something I want to highlight is the image descriptions. 24:33.740 --> 24:38.140 You see the half of the text that describes the image on the left. 24:38.140 --> 24:44.340 And this is to make sure that everybody that gets the book can actually get the story. 24:44.340 --> 24:49.740 So even if you have a visual impairment or just maybe listening to the book in the future 24:49.740 --> 24:56.140 that you have a good sense of what is actually conveyed also with nice illustrations that are in the book. 24:56.140 --> 25:02.540 But also for me, reading the illustrations actually made me attentive to details I missed initially. 25:02.540 --> 25:05.940 Because did you see that Maria actually has an artificial leg? 25:05.940 --> 25:07.740 I didn't at first. 25:07.740 --> 25:12.740 But there was a story of one kid that found the book and saw that. 25:12.740 --> 25:19.740 Because the kid also had an artificial leg really fun and love the story. 25:19.740 --> 25:27.340 When I was presenting about the book in a conference at a podcast in 2024, 25:27.340 --> 25:30.940 one of the regular hosts there was visually impaired. 25:30.940 --> 25:32.540 So they were challenging me. 25:32.540 --> 25:34.540 Like, oh, you do this translation yet. 25:34.540 --> 25:36.340 Will it also be in Braille? 25:36.340 --> 25:40.140 And I thought, well, technically, why not? 25:40.140 --> 25:43.940 But having submitted the Dutch book now to the publisher in December, 25:43.940 --> 25:46.540 I thought, I'll be presenting about this. 25:46.540 --> 25:47.740 I've lost them. 25:47.740 --> 25:50.140 I might as well give it a go. 25:50.140 --> 26:00.140 And so also, I got some good feedback on what a PEPOP should be the requirements for an EEPOP to be more accessible. 26:00.140 --> 26:07.740 So that if you have these mechanical devices with PSO elements to put up the dots that actually works well. 26:07.740 --> 26:11.740 But also, I wanted to do a real and boss version. 26:11.740 --> 26:16.140 And I found this project online, Open Hardware, the Breyer rep, 26:16.140 --> 26:23.140 which is basically a device, like a 3D printer, Open Hardware. 26:23.140 --> 26:28.940 And here's, yeah, stay fun, good day, showing it out. 26:28.940 --> 26:33.340 If you hold in a bit longer, the camera will point at you, yeah, yeah, yeah. 26:33.340 --> 26:37.340 So this is an Open Hardware project. 26:37.340 --> 26:42.740 And I thought, maybe in a year, I can first build my own embosser, open hardware, 26:42.740 --> 26:44.140 and then we could do a print. 26:44.140 --> 26:49.340 And a word of an email explaining that, and he said, no, no, no, skip that. 26:49.340 --> 26:51.340 You can do that later. 26:51.340 --> 26:54.740 I'll just make sure to have the prints at Boston. 26:54.740 --> 26:58.140 And so we work together what do you need for the digital format? 26:58.140 --> 27:05.340 And we actually have embossed version of Ada and Sangamam for Boston. 27:05.340 --> 27:07.140 So thank you very much for that, Stefan. 27:07.140 --> 27:08.140 Yeah. 27:11.740 --> 27:16.740 And to make it more impressive, this was the first real book that was printed. 27:16.740 --> 27:20.540 And the embosser doesn't have an automatic document feeder. 27:20.540 --> 27:27.740 So the fun would be two days feeding paper in the machine to make sure that we have the book, 27:27.740 --> 27:33.540 because 56 pages of text actually becomes like 150 pages of Breyer. 27:33.540 --> 27:35.740 So multiple books. 27:35.740 --> 27:38.540 And it's not just the text, also we did some illustrations. 27:38.540 --> 27:41.540 And we have to find out how well this works. 27:41.540 --> 27:42.940 Is it recognizable enough? 27:42.940 --> 27:46.940 Or do we have to make things bigger or have something else? 27:46.940 --> 27:48.540 So where we can experiment. 27:48.540 --> 27:53.540 Now that we did something initial, we can actually start validating and learning from that. 27:53.540 --> 27:55.540 That's very thanks to that. 27:55.540 --> 28:03.940 But here you see a squeak from France, who is very interested in doing laser-cut wood. 28:03.940 --> 28:08.940 And he had this format of Kamishibai, which is a Japanese format. 28:08.940 --> 28:11.140 Maybe I'm mispronouncing it. 28:11.140 --> 28:13.340 Either way, it's a Japanese format. 28:13.340 --> 28:19.940 Think before we had any electronics, like an analog television, where people on the street 28:19.940 --> 28:25.540 would have this display of pains with illustrations. 28:25.540 --> 28:30.140 And one by one, they would lift up the illustration to show the next. 28:30.140 --> 28:34.540 And they would have the text to read to continue the story. 28:34.540 --> 28:39.340 And so he adapted the story to this Kamishibai format. 28:39.340 --> 28:44.740 And for me, as an engineer, it's like, why not embed this as well as a traditional format 28:44.740 --> 28:46.140 to the automation. 28:46.140 --> 28:49.140 It's just another PDF output we can generate. 28:49.340 --> 28:52.140 So I have this on the wish list. 28:52.140 --> 28:53.740 Or what about this format? 28:53.740 --> 28:56.140 The bilingual format, but see enough additions. 28:56.140 --> 29:01.940 Where they have France and German next to each other or French and English. 29:01.940 --> 29:05.540 And we have about 33 languages now in development. 29:05.540 --> 29:08.940 So could you imagine, you give up two languages. 29:08.940 --> 29:10.540 You want to have side by side. 29:10.540 --> 29:13.340 You press the button and you have a print to go. 29:13.340 --> 29:18.340 And you can have a side by side book to have any language that you want. 29:19.540 --> 29:23.540 Or this, but everything that the French Ministry of Education did, 29:23.540 --> 29:25.740 it was not just that they had the book. 29:25.740 --> 29:27.740 Also, they have the website where the digital book, 29:27.740 --> 29:31.940 you can actually open on any mobile device and start reading the book. 29:31.940 --> 29:35.940 And they have various materials that were created for classrooms, 29:35.940 --> 29:41.140 like games and quizzes that also teach about societal subjects that talk about math, 29:41.140 --> 29:44.340 all tied up to the story of Adam Sangaman. 29:44.340 --> 29:48.140 We could translate that to any language if we just kept going. 29:48.140 --> 29:51.340 Because it's all creative comments. 29:51.340 --> 29:53.340 Now, during the process of the automation, 29:53.340 --> 29:55.740 because we were using standard tools, 29:55.740 --> 29:59.540 I tried to do my best to report all the issues upstream. 29:59.540 --> 30:03.140 And some of the issues are harder than others. 30:03.140 --> 30:07.340 And in the case of Pandok, actually there were some misconceptions 30:07.340 --> 30:11.140 how the standard was implemented. 30:11.140 --> 30:13.140 And some of them are already fixed. 30:13.140 --> 30:15.140 But in the scripts community, some of them 30:15.140 --> 30:16.740 was already being worked on. 30:16.740 --> 30:21.540 Are we now working on a bit of community to improve it? 30:21.540 --> 30:25.940 And yeah, so hopefully through this effort, 30:25.940 --> 30:29.540 we also improved the whole ecosystem of software that is around it. 30:29.540 --> 30:33.540 And I would really like to maybe enable other books to be used 30:33.540 --> 30:37.940 everything that was built for Adam Sangaman automation. 30:37.940 --> 30:41.740 Of course, there's also other documentation that not only explains 30:41.740 --> 30:44.940 how it's set up technically, but also what 30:44.940 --> 30:47.140 do you need to get started with translating, 30:47.140 --> 30:48.740 and how do you publish a book? 30:48.740 --> 30:52.340 Because it was very hard to get all this information from different places, 30:52.340 --> 30:55.340 to make it as easy as possible for every country, 30:55.340 --> 30:59.340 a language team to get the book out. 30:59.340 --> 31:03.340 And all the automation, it's a command line to at the moment, 31:03.340 --> 31:08.540 but there's also a nice help command to show you what output 31:08.540 --> 31:11.540 formats you can create. 31:11.540 --> 31:15.340 And all this together, we now also have, 31:15.340 --> 31:17.140 even though we have the Danish earlier, 31:17.140 --> 31:19.940 we also have the Dutch book. 31:19.940 --> 31:22.140 We have many books here with us. 31:22.140 --> 31:24.540 So if you're interested in a Dutch book, 31:24.540 --> 31:33.540 please go to the FSF East stand, just right outside of this whole. 31:33.540 --> 31:38.340 And so we're now close to the idea where the translate ones 31:38.340 --> 31:41.140 and push a button, and you've got all the output formats. 31:41.140 --> 31:46.340 And like Ada in the story, I too have new ideas every day 31:46.340 --> 31:50.940 to improve this project, and just following through, 31:50.940 --> 31:54.940 and I hope with all the effort I've seen over the last months, 31:54.940 --> 31:57.740 that people that have helped me, not just with the translation, 31:57.740 --> 32:06.140 but all the automation that we together can even make this project much bigger. 32:06.940 --> 32:11.140 Going back to the time when people told me, like from children, 32:11.140 --> 32:13.740 people who know about children, books, and so, 32:13.740 --> 32:17.340 even never gone a work with creative comments. 32:17.340 --> 32:19.540 You've never been able to get that out. 32:19.540 --> 32:21.540 You will never find a publisher. 32:21.540 --> 32:27.140 Well, I think already till here, you see that with some energy, 32:27.140 --> 32:30.940 with some hackout friends, with some lawyers, 32:30.940 --> 32:33.740 and a lot of other skills in our community, 32:33.740 --> 32:36.540 you can actually accomplish a lot. 32:36.540 --> 32:41.340 So, many people here help with getting to this point. 32:41.340 --> 32:44.940 So, thank you very much already for showing the publishing industry 32:44.940 --> 32:50.140 that you can do it with free software, with open educational resource licenses. 32:50.140 --> 32:52.140 So, thank you very much. 32:52.140 --> 33:01.540 But, yeah, it didn't stop there, that it's just a book, 33:01.540 --> 33:06.140 but what also happened then was that many people were using the book 33:06.140 --> 33:12.540 and giving readings, like at schools, at libraries, at hackout spaces, 33:12.540 --> 33:18.140 I myself, during the last months, read the book to over 2,000 children myself. 33:18.140 --> 33:22.140 And there are here at free software conferences, where there are readings from, 33:22.140 --> 33:25.140 I don't know, yeah, also here around here. 33:25.140 --> 33:32.140 And then there are teachers using the book in school projects, 33:32.140 --> 33:34.140 like here in France. 33:34.140 --> 33:39.140 There are teachers, like here's one teacher from Spain. 33:39.140 --> 33:43.140 She used the book in school for a week, for a project week, 33:43.140 --> 33:46.140 and at the end, what the children did, 33:46.140 --> 33:52.140 was they sent a letter to Tsangman, and telling Tsangman what they think about his behavior of this book. 33:52.140 --> 33:57.140 So, the antagonist in this book, and it's so great to see those letters, 33:57.140 --> 34:00.140 the teacher and the parents agreed that we can publish them on the website. 34:00.140 --> 34:05.140 If you want to read what seven, eight year old think about free software, 34:05.140 --> 34:08.140 and the aspects of proprietary software with free software, 34:08.140 --> 34:11.140 have a look at that, it's really, really cool. 34:12.140 --> 34:17.140 Or, we received inventions by children after reading the book, 34:17.140 --> 34:21.140 what they want to invent when they have more technical skills like this. 34:21.140 --> 34:24.140 Machine that can scan any object and afterwards, 34:24.140 --> 34:27.140 you can see it from the outside and the inside. 34:27.140 --> 34:31.140 And so, really, really cool stuff, and I'm very much looking forward to see 34:31.140 --> 34:35.140 their custom talks in 20 years and what they accomplish. 34:36.140 --> 34:42.140 And yeah, and even then afterwards, we run into one issue that we saw that many people 34:42.140 --> 34:46.140 would like to hear the book, and they were requests for reading it, 34:46.140 --> 34:50.140 and we cannot always fulfill it, and this pie, the automation for the book, 34:50.140 --> 34:55.140 it's still really difficult to distribute books and to send them around the world 34:55.140 --> 34:59.140 and to make sure that even if something is published by a publisher in one country, 34:59.140 --> 35:04.140 that the book is then awaitable in another language that you can order it there, 35:04.140 --> 35:08.140 and it's not like you're ordering it and you pay double the amount of the book for shipping. 35:08.140 --> 35:13.140 So we thought about why not also do a movie about that. 35:13.140 --> 35:20.140 And we did a fundraiser about that and accomplished to get the funds together to actually produce that. 35:20.140 --> 35:28.140 So we now also have a movie available in English, German, French, Spanish, Danish, 35:28.140 --> 35:36.140 Italian now also, so one of the speakers of the book here, and that's out there. 35:36.140 --> 35:42.140 And people cannot watch that, and this one, this picture here is from the premier in Germany. 35:42.140 --> 35:45.140 We rented the biggest cinema in Germany. 35:45.140 --> 35:51.140 We had 800 children there, and TV moderator from children, TV channel, 35:51.140 --> 35:57.140 moderating this whole event, and 800 children screaming in this cinema, 35:57.140 --> 36:02.140 that's who I mean here you see it from behind. 36:02.140 --> 36:06.140 Yeah, and the good thing now is that with this setup, 36:06.140 --> 36:10.140 it's when you have an existing translation from that late, 36:10.140 --> 36:17.140 and we can work around 3600 euros, tell the studio that we would like to have it in that language, 36:17.140 --> 36:20.140 and then they can produce that. 36:20.140 --> 36:23.140 We of course also had some community contributions like from Italy, 36:23.140 --> 36:27.140 where a theater group was doing the audio recording, and then we can send it to them, 36:27.140 --> 36:33.140 and it's done a bit cheaper, and we have really great contribution from the community there, 36:33.140 --> 36:36.140 or our Danish one, where Ivan was doing the, 36:36.140 --> 36:40.140 who is also doing the FSB podcast, was doing the audio there. 36:40.140 --> 36:44.140 So, and if we get that money together, we can do it in the other languages, 36:44.140 --> 36:46.140 and then it's also there available. 36:46.140 --> 36:51.140 And it's not just a way to watch it online, but when we reached out to it for the premier in Germany, 36:51.140 --> 36:54.140 they told us, yeah, can you send us a DCP file then? 36:54.140 --> 36:56.140 They're like DC, what? 36:56.140 --> 37:02.140 So, I learned that professional cinemas use DCP files for the movies, 37:02.140 --> 37:06.140 and then you, they did the conversion for us, 37:06.140 --> 37:10.140 and when they found out what the movie is about, they contacted me and said, 37:10.140 --> 37:13.140 we will do any other translation for you for free, 37:13.140 --> 37:15.140 because our whole tool chain is resolved there. 37:15.140 --> 37:19.140 We are using handbrake subtitle added, open short, we, 37:19.140 --> 37:24.140 all those tools, and we would love to contribute back and do the other, 37:24.140 --> 37:27.140 the other encodings for you, then as well. 37:27.140 --> 37:31.140 So, on our website, you can also download a DCP file, 37:31.140 --> 37:35.140 random movie, theater, and have a really cool screening with kids. 37:35.140 --> 37:37.140 All possible. 37:37.140 --> 37:38.140 Yes. 37:42.140 --> 37:44.140 Do mics, yeah, it's confusing. 37:44.140 --> 37:47.140 So, as said, multiple times already, 37:47.140 --> 37:49.140 you can become part of it. 37:49.140 --> 37:52.140 You can do translations to get to book in your language 37:52.140 --> 37:54.140 if it's not available. 37:54.140 --> 37:58.140 You can do a book reading, but it's just in the local school, 37:58.140 --> 38:01.140 maybe something organized in the library. 38:01.140 --> 38:03.140 You can also share your thoughts. 38:03.140 --> 38:08.140 We have a share pic at the FSV, where you just put in your name and your quote, 38:08.140 --> 38:12.140 and get a nice picture to share on social media. 38:12.140 --> 38:16.140 You could please, if you do any installation, 38:16.140 --> 38:21.140 whether it's hosting a service, or maybe doing a Linux install for your friend. 38:21.140 --> 38:23.140 You can add these files. 38:23.140 --> 38:27.140 You can just hit the software because it's a creative comments license. 38:27.140 --> 38:30.140 Organize the screening, as you said, 38:30.140 --> 38:33.140 and maybe help with the automation. 38:33.140 --> 38:37.140 I'm happy to accept any changes request. 38:37.140 --> 38:41.140 And I think all of this, when we done, was really bit the help of FSV, 38:41.140 --> 38:45.140 FSV staff, also supporting this, FSV infrastructure. 38:45.140 --> 38:49.140 So please also consider becoming a supporter and donating financially. 38:49.140 --> 38:53.140 Because for me, as a volunteer, I rely on FSV infrastructure, 38:53.140 --> 38:56.140 also with my contributions. 38:56.140 --> 39:01.140 And this is the 25th year, where FSV is at Phosdam. 39:01.140 --> 39:06.140 So we said the goal to get 25 more supporters. 39:06.140 --> 39:10.140 So please go to the stand and register yourself. 39:10.140 --> 39:13.140 Go online and register yourself as a supporter. 39:13.140 --> 39:16.140 And maybe also become more active with the FSV, 39:16.140 --> 39:18.140 because it's a very nice community. 39:18.140 --> 39:21.140 And there's a lot of things we can do together. 39:21.140 --> 39:24.140 Now, if you join the project, 39:24.140 --> 39:28.140 maybe you find yourself in an event where you have a nice ice cream 39:28.140 --> 39:34.140 to get all the good memories you have from reading the book or contributing to the book. 39:34.140 --> 39:38.140 And many thanks to Luca, who now also has a bit more time 39:38.140 --> 39:41.140 for us, great hobby of making ice cream. 39:41.140 --> 39:43.140 So thank you all. 39:43.140 --> 39:50.140 APPLAUSE 39:50.140 --> 39:53.140 And with that, we'd like to open it for questions. 39:53.140 --> 40:04.140 APPLAUSE 40:04.140 --> 40:07.140 I have a question about how images are translated now. 40:07.140 --> 40:10.140 Is it automated process and with templates? 40:10.140 --> 40:13.140 Because in the beginning, everything was a blob in a, 40:13.140 --> 40:15.140 and get repository. 40:15.140 --> 40:16.140 Yeah. 40:16.140 --> 40:20.140 How the question is, how are the images translated? 40:20.140 --> 40:22.140 Previously, 40:22.140 --> 40:26.140 every hand-drawn text was an image. 40:26.140 --> 40:28.140 Most of that is now a font. 40:28.140 --> 40:30.140 So it's no longer an image. 40:30.140 --> 40:32.140 There's a couple of images. 40:32.140 --> 40:36.140 Specifically, there's a protest page image in the spread of the book 40:36.140 --> 40:41.140 that still requires hand-drawn illustrations. 40:41.140 --> 40:46.140 I've considered maybe adding something with inkscape or maybe in scripts. 40:46.140 --> 40:48.140 Also, I have a font there. 40:48.140 --> 40:51.140 We could do that as well, currently it's not. 40:51.140 --> 40:57.140 And also, the cover page can be done in scripts, 40:57.140 --> 40:59.140 but there's also still a gimp file. 40:59.140 --> 41:02.140 And depending on the output format, for example, for the movie, 41:02.140 --> 41:04.140 we need to 16 by 9. 41:04.140 --> 41:07.140 It's yet still a gimp file to translate. 41:07.140 --> 41:10.140 So it's still a bit of a working progress to make sure 41:10.140 --> 41:13.140 that we add fonts to more and more setups. 41:13.140 --> 41:16.140 But that means that also we have to incorporate, 41:16.140 --> 41:19.140 essentially, the support from multiple fonts, 41:19.140 --> 41:22.140 depending on the language. 41:25.140 --> 41:27.140 Any more questions? 41:27.140 --> 41:29.140 Well, people are thinking about another question. 41:29.140 --> 41:32.140 Maybe one thing, if there are any, 41:32.140 --> 41:35.140 if you know any teenagers around Europe, 41:35.140 --> 41:37.140 or if you know how to reach them, 41:37.140 --> 41:39.140 please also tell them about efforts 41:39.140 --> 41:42.140 if these coding competition for teenagers. 41:42.140 --> 41:44.140 It's called Youth Hacking for Freedom. 41:44.140 --> 41:48.140 The idea there is that they can do whatever they want with free software 41:48.140 --> 41:49.140 for several months. 41:49.140 --> 41:52.140 The goal is then just that afterwards it's free software. 41:52.140 --> 41:59.140 And they can win awards from 1,024 euros to 4,069 euros. 41:59.140 --> 42:02.140 And we bring them together here in Brussels for a nice, 42:02.140 --> 42:04.140 of what so many people like Nico, 42:04.140 --> 42:08.140 on the jury, others from the free software community. 42:08.140 --> 42:09.140 Not on the jury. 42:09.140 --> 42:10.140 I think the photos. 42:10.140 --> 42:12.140 And it's a really great event. 42:12.140 --> 42:15.140 So inspiring. 42:15.140 --> 42:20.140 So we learned a lot about how to adapt the book 42:20.140 --> 42:24.140 for different languages, different formats, etc. 42:24.140 --> 42:30.140 But once you're estimation to adapt the framework 42:30.140 --> 42:33.140 for a complete new book. 42:33.140 --> 42:37.140 Yeah, that is my ultimate goal is to make it as adaptable 42:37.140 --> 42:39.140 to use for other formats as well. 42:39.140 --> 42:42.140 We contacted our profended publishers 42:42.140 --> 42:45.140 that are very friendly towards free software 42:45.140 --> 42:46.140 and started looking online, 42:46.140 --> 42:49.140 like what is actually available in terms of automation. 42:49.140 --> 42:51.140 I found one or two pipelines that are based on Markdown 42:51.140 --> 42:54.140 and produced an e-pop. 42:54.140 --> 42:56.140 But it's very limited in scope, 42:56.140 --> 42:59.140 what they actually do with the amount of translation. 42:59.140 --> 43:01.140 It was not fitting for this book. 43:01.140 --> 43:05.140 As you see, we now also support more and more formats. 43:05.140 --> 43:09.140 And at the moment it's sort of a hotspots together 43:09.140 --> 43:13.140 of different convergent tools and a make file 43:13.140 --> 43:17.140 and a folder structure. 43:17.140 --> 43:19.140 So if there's any ideas, 43:19.140 --> 43:22.140 how do we make that like a universal template 43:22.140 --> 43:26.140 so to make it less specific and more generic, 43:26.140 --> 43:29.140 I would really want to do that. 43:29.140 --> 43:32.140 So it can be done. 43:32.140 --> 43:34.140 You can copy what is there and adapt it. 43:35.140 --> 43:37.140 It is intended that way, 43:37.140 --> 43:40.140 but there are some custom things at the moment. 43:47.140 --> 43:50.140 In terms of generalization, 43:50.140 --> 43:55.140 I guess that beyond having a generic template, 43:55.140 --> 43:59.140 which is indeed a good thing. 43:59.140 --> 44:03.140 I was thinking also to kind of a front-hand software 44:03.140 --> 44:08.140 to make it usable to make the whole system usable 44:08.140 --> 44:11.140 to, I mean, not developers. 44:11.140 --> 44:15.140 Common users of PC, so a UI, front-hand, 44:15.140 --> 44:20.140 which makes it easier to do all the whole process. 44:20.140 --> 44:23.140 Yeah, I recall I didn't repeat your question 44:23.140 --> 44:24.140 for the audio recording, 44:24.140 --> 44:28.140 but the previous question was about making a generic for other books. 44:28.140 --> 44:30.140 And this is a similar question. 44:30.140 --> 44:35.140 I suggest in actually to use a front-hand to make it easier. 44:35.140 --> 44:37.140 Yeah, why not? 44:37.140 --> 44:41.140 Why? We could make a front-hand and do that in support that. 44:41.140 --> 44:44.140 I could totally see that. 44:44.140 --> 44:47.140 We were already thinking like, 44:47.140 --> 44:51.140 how do we get this web-lay translation and somebody contributes? 44:51.140 --> 44:55.140 Ideally, you want to have in minutes get the PDF output. 44:55.140 --> 44:59.140 Normally, I check my email, but sometimes I'm at a conference. 44:59.140 --> 45:02.140 It happens, and then it takes a couple of days. 45:02.140 --> 45:05.140 And wait, so maybe you want to have some automation in place. 45:05.140 --> 45:10.140 But if we can make that easier, why not? 45:10.140 --> 45:14.140 The nice thing is already now at this stage. 45:14.140 --> 45:19.140 I recently bought an email and someone was sending me a dialect, 45:19.140 --> 45:23.140 which is spoken between France and Germany, 45:23.140 --> 45:27.140 and it turned out that it was the father of someone from the German 45:27.140 --> 45:30.140 from the French Ministry of Education, and they did that. 45:30.140 --> 45:36.140 And we were able to produce a whole PDF with our tooling there. 45:36.140 --> 45:37.140 It looked great. 45:37.140 --> 45:40.140 And like yesterday I was in the legal and policy there, 45:40.140 --> 45:43.140 and I left and someone said, are you Matias? 45:43.140 --> 45:44.140 Yeah. 45:44.140 --> 45:49.140 He gave me a book, which we himself printed in check with the tooling here. 45:49.140 --> 45:52.140 I didn't know that anyone was already printing it. 45:52.140 --> 45:55.140 So it's possible, and you can do it very easily, 45:55.140 --> 45:57.140 or kind of different dialects. 45:57.140 --> 45:59.140 You can also, I mean, the license allows you to do this. 45:59.140 --> 46:03.140 If you don't like anything about the story, I mean, that's the cool thing. 46:03.140 --> 46:06.140 You don't have to use it the way I wrote it down. 46:06.140 --> 46:08.140 If you want to change something, well, just do so. 46:08.140 --> 46:12.140 Press the button, and you have a book, which you can send to the printer, 46:12.140 --> 46:21.140 and with a very low investment, you have a book in a few thousand copies out there. 46:21.140 --> 46:25.140 For the translation, you show that you go from the book to get text, 46:25.140 --> 46:26.140 and then to reply it. 46:26.140 --> 46:30.140 Why doesn't the reply it's support the book directly? 46:30.140 --> 46:32.140 Wouldn't that be easier? 46:32.140 --> 46:33.140 Yeah. 46:33.140 --> 46:36.140 Why does it not support the book directly? 46:36.140 --> 46:40.140 I think it's support XML in general. 46:40.140 --> 46:46.140 But as far as I know, the reply does not support the ITS information. 46:46.140 --> 46:50.140 So I used the ITS standard to add translation comments. 46:50.140 --> 46:54.140 That's like, oh, this is a acknowledgment. 46:54.140 --> 46:55.140 It's in the book. 46:55.140 --> 46:56.140 It's a very generic term. 46:56.140 --> 46:57.140 How do you translate it? 46:57.140 --> 46:58.140 It depends. 46:58.140 --> 47:00.140 I just want a short word. 47:00.140 --> 47:04.140 That is in the book and describes the acknowledgment of the author. 47:04.140 --> 47:06.140 Something like that. 47:06.140 --> 47:10.140 And that is what I get with the get text format. 47:10.140 --> 47:16.140 Plus, again, some people are very much on their file-based workflow. 47:16.140 --> 47:21.140 And they prefer to use a get text file rather than going through the online editor, 47:21.140 --> 47:23.140 which myself, I can understand. 47:23.140 --> 47:25.140 So this is a more generic approach. 47:25.140 --> 47:28.140 But I think it's, if it would be in Weblight, 47:28.140 --> 47:31.140 and there's already a lot of support in Weblight. 47:31.140 --> 47:34.140 Yeah, hello. 47:34.140 --> 47:45.140 How would you deal with Miss representing the messages? 47:45.140 --> 47:46.140 Yeah. 47:46.140 --> 47:47.140 Yeah. 47:47.140 --> 47:48.140 Malware. 47:48.140 --> 47:53.140 Well, the question is then, who would publish the book? 47:53.140 --> 47:58.140 And the Dutch translation, for example, the FSFE logo is on there. 47:58.140 --> 48:04.140 Meaning, it's under the umbrella of the FSFE, and we looked at the translation. 48:04.140 --> 48:07.140 Sometimes with translators, there's a brief discussion. 48:07.140 --> 48:10.140 This everybody reads the story and the things like, oh, 48:10.140 --> 48:17.140 but this is not really fitting in our national context or in our language. 48:17.140 --> 48:19.140 So there's always decisions. 48:19.140 --> 48:23.140 Whether it's intentional or maybe a less intentional, 48:23.140 --> 48:25.140 maybe it's malicious or not malicious. 48:25.140 --> 48:28.140 But how do you adapt the translation? 48:28.140 --> 48:32.140 And I think it ultimately, if you publish it yourself, 48:32.140 --> 48:34.140 we have a stamp for remix. 48:34.140 --> 48:37.140 You put your own logo on it. 48:37.140 --> 48:40.140 It's like the branding is one way in licensing. 48:40.140 --> 48:43.140 You can also protect the representation. 48:43.140 --> 48:48.140 And besides that, I had a lot of discussions with illustrators, 48:48.140 --> 48:51.140 finding an illustrator who accepts creative comments licensing 48:51.140 --> 48:55.140 because they are very afraid of someone taking their illustrations, 48:55.140 --> 48:57.140 doing something else with it. 48:57.140 --> 49:04.140 And my conclusion there is, if you try to make it very, 49:04.140 --> 49:09.140 difficult for people to, if you make it, 49:09.140 --> 49:12.140 if you prevent bad things from happening, 49:12.140 --> 49:16.140 and then you also prevent a lot of really, really cool things 49:16.140 --> 49:18.140 from happening and good things from happening. 49:18.140 --> 49:21.140 So in the end, we also decided there, 49:21.140 --> 49:24.140 like, let's publish this this way. 49:24.140 --> 49:27.140 Yes, people can also do some things with it, 49:27.140 --> 49:31.140 which I as an author or others who contributed might not like. 49:31.140 --> 49:35.140 But on the other hand, I mean, this whole story, what happened there, 49:35.140 --> 49:37.140 many of those translations, many of those things, 49:37.140 --> 49:41.140 they wouldn't have happened, if it wouldn't have been also possible 49:41.140 --> 49:46.140 for someone who wants to do bad things to do bad things with it. 49:46.140 --> 49:50.140 Thank you very much. 49:50.140 --> 49:52.140 Thank you guys, that was it. 49:52.140 --> 49:53.140 Thank you very much. 49:54.140 --> 50:00.140 If you want to have anything from the bookstickers, 50:00.140 --> 50:02.140 about the book, the books themselves, 50:02.140 --> 50:07.140 up there at the FSF Ebooth, and they all lot of them there. 50:07.140 --> 50:09.140 Thank you.